Babylonian Talmud, Soncino English Translation

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 14 2016 7:09 AM

Wow this is awesome!  Thank you!!!

If I could... I've never used the Talmud before and I was curious how I would go about looking up items in it.  I included an image below because I remember hearing that working on the Sabbath is not allowed.  Is there a way to use this to find that? I noticed the names and chapters don't match up from whatever translation logos is using

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Dudley C. Rose | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 14 2016 12:56 PM

Mattillo - There are a few hurdles you'll need to overcome to connect the references in the Logos Neusner translation that your Logos search gives to the same section in Soncino PBB.

1) In the kind of search that matches a Biblical text with topics and sections in other resources, such as the Talmud, Logos will refer to official Logos resources, in this case Jacob Neusner's translation of the Talmud. There are two the Babylonian and the Jerusalem. in the screenshot below the section of references to the Babylonian Talmud are preceded b. So the first one points to the Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 16:2. References to the Jerusalem Talmud are preceded by y. The first one in that section is to Kilayim 1:6. (FYI, The Babylonian Talmud is considered authoritative.)

2) Neusner's sectioning (Tractate Shabbat 16:2, for example) is not the same way the Soncino version divides the text. Soncino uses the more common Talmudic pagination in which each page is a 2-sided Vilna, numbered # a and b. So the location Shabbat 16:2 in Neusner is found beginning a paragraph into Shabbath 117B in the Soncino (note also the slightly different spelling of the Tractate).

3) Neusner is actually indexed by both pagination systems, but the Soncino indexing doesn't appear in most searches. If you have Logos's Neusner translation, you can reasonably easily match up his references with the Soncino locations. Without owning Neusner that's pretty hard to do.

4) Another option is to open  the Soncino Talmud and use the Logos Cited By tool to find the places in open resources, in this case the Talmud, which refer to a particular scripture passage. The Soncino is pretty good about footnoting where the Talmud is making Biblical references. So, for example if you run Cited By for Exodus 20:8-11, you will find several Concino Talmudic references, including Shabbath 117b.

Hope this helps. Unless you own Neusner, 4) will be your best bet, I think.

Mattillo:

If I could... I've never used the Talmud before and I was curious how I would go about looking up items in it.  I included an image below because I remember hearing that working on the Sabbath is not allowed.  Is there a way to use this to find that? I noticed the names and chapters don't match up from whatever translation logos is using

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 14 2016 1:08 PM

That is very helpful. Thank you Mr. Rose. I'll try those tonight!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 21 2016 5:48 AM

Somehow I missed this thread before. Thank you for sharing!

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Jesús Polaino | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 21 2016 10:02 AM

WOW!!!

Amazing job, thanks very much!!!!

My only question is how it should be compiled... as commentary maybe?

Blessings,

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Dudley C. Rose | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 21 2016 7:03 PM

I just compiled it as a monograph.

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Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 22 2016 1:01 AM

My thanks also for your kindness in sharing this text.Yes

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