BDAG υποτάσσω

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Al Dobko | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Sep 25 2014 8:27 AM

Could someone please post the BDAG entry for υποτασσω so I can compare it with my other dictionaries before I buy it? Thanks!

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Anthony H | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 8:38 AM

Al Dobko:

Could someone please post the BDAG entry for υποτασσω so I can compare it with my other dictionaries before I buy it? Thanks!

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 8:39 AM

ὑποτάσσω 1 aor. ὑπέταξα. Pass.: 2 fut. ὑποταγήσομαι; 2 aor. ὑπετάγην; perf. ὑποτέταγμαι (Aristot., Polyb.+)
① to cause to be in a submissive relationship, to subject, to subordinate
ⓐ act., abs. Ro 8:20b; 1 Cl 2:1b. τινά bring someone to subjection (Herodian 7, 2, 9) IPol 2:1. τινί τινα or τι someone or someth. to someone (Epict. 4, 12, 12 of God ὑπ. τί τινι; cp. Da 11:39 Theod.; TestJud 21:2; ApcSed 6:2; SibOr Fgm. 3, 12; Ar. [Milne 76, 49]; Menander Eph.: 783 Fgm. 1, 119 Jac. [in Jos., C. Ap. 1, 119]; Just., A I, 49, 7, A II 5, 2.—Cp. ὑπέταξεν ἑαυτοῦ τῇ ἐξουσίᾳ τοὺς Πάρθους Hippol., Ref. 9, 16, 4) 1 Cor 15:27c, 28c; Phil 3:21; Hb 2:5, 8b; Dg 10:2; Hm 12, 4, 2; AcPl Ha 8, 15. In the same sense ὑπ. τι ὑπὸ τοὺς πόδας τινός 1 Cor 15:27a; Eph 1:22; also ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν τινος Hb 2:8a (Ps 8:7). ὑποτάσσειν ἑαυτόν τινι subject oneself to someone (Plut., Mor. 142e to the husband; Simplicius In Epict. p. 33 Düb. to transcendent powers) Hs 9, 22, 3.
ⓑ pass.
α. become subject τινί to a pers. or a state of being (Iren. 5, 5, 2 [Harv. II 332, 11]) Ro 8:20a; 1 Cor 15:28a; Hb 2:8c; 1 Pt 3:22; Dg 7:2; Pol 2:1. Abs. (Diod S 1, 55, 10; Aristobulus in Eus., PE 8, 10, 10 [=p. 140 Holladay] πάνθʼ ὑποτέτακται; Just., D. 85, 2 νικᾶται καὶ ὑποτάσσεται [Ath. 18, 2]; Iren. 1, 13, 4 [Harv. I 120, 7]) 1 Cor 15:27b.
β. subject oneself, be subjected or subordinated, obey abs. (Jos., Bell. 4, 175) Ro 13:5; 1 Cor 14:34 (cp. δουλεύετε ἀλλήλοις Gal 5:13); 1 Cl 2:1a; 57:2. Of submission involving recognition of an ordered structure, w. dat. of the entity to whom/which appropriate respect is shown (Palaeph. 38 p. 56, 15; 57, 2): toward a husband (s. Ps.-Callisth. 1, 22, 4 πρέπον ἐστὶ τὴν γυναῖκα τῷ ἀνδρὶ ὑποτάσσεσθαι, s. 1a above; cp. SEG 26, 1717, 26 [III/IV A.D.] in a love charm) Eph 5:22 v.l.; Col 3:18; Tit 2:5; 1 Pt 3:1 (on an alleged impv. sense s. Schwyzer II 407), 5; parents Lk 2:51; masters Tit 2:9; 1 Pt 2:18; B 19:7; D 4:11; secular authorities (1 Ch 29:24; Theoph. Ant. 1, 11 [p. 82, 14]) Ro 13:1 (CMorrison, The Powers That Be—Ro 13:1–13, diss. Basel ’56; EBarnikol, TU 77, ’61, 65–133 [non-Pauline]); Tit 3:1; 1 Pt 2:13; 1 Cl 61:1; church officials 1 Cl 1:3; 57:1; IEph 2:2; IMg 2; 13:2; ITr 2:1f; 13:2; IPol 6:1; Pol 5:3; νεώτεροι ὑποτάγητε πρεσβυτέροις 1 Pt 5:5. To God (Epict. 3, 24, 65 τ. θεῷ ὑποτεταγμένος; 4, 12, 11; Ps 61:2; 2 Macc 9:12) 1 Cor 15:28b; Hb 12:9; Js 4:7; 1 Cl 20:1; IEph 5:3; to Christ Eph 5:24. To the will of God, the law, etc. Ro 8:7; 10:3; 1 Cl 34:5; Hm 12, 5, 1; τῇ ἐπιθυμίᾳ τῇ ἀγαθῇ 12, 2, 5.—Of submission in the sense of voluntary yielding in love 1 Cor 16:16; Eph 5:21; 1 Pt 5:5b v.l.; 1 Cl 38:1.—The evil spirits must be subject to the disciples whom Jesus sends out Lk 10:17, 20. Likew. the prophetic spirits must be subject to the prophets in whom they dwell 1 Cor 14:32.—HMerklein, Studien zu Jesus und Paulus (WUNT 105) ’98, 405–37.
② to add a document at the end of another document, attach, append, subjoin (common in official documents, hence oft. ins, pap; also s. Jos., Vi. 364, Ant. 16, 161; Just., A I, 68, 4; Mel., HE 4, 26, 14) the letters of Ign. ὑποτεταγμέναι εἰσὶν τῇ ἐπιστολῇ ταύτῃ Pol 13:2.—M-M. EDNT. TW. Spicq.


William Arndt, Frederick W. Danker, and Walter Bauer, A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000).


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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 9:25 AM

Hi Al. I think you should get the BDAG regardless. It's a tremendous resource for Inter-testamental writings and the Church Fathers. IMHO

Al Dobko:

Could someone please post the BDAG entry for υποτασσω so I can compare it with my other dictionaries before I buy it? Thanks!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 10:05 AM

Al Dobko:

Could someone please post the BDAG entry for υποτασσω so I can compare it with my other dictionaries before I buy it? Thanks!

If you don't have BDAG, you're trying to study NT and Patristic Greek with one hand half your brain tied behind your back.  There is no equal to it.

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Al Dobko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 10:46 AM

I have a Liddell Scott dictionary that quotes Lucian Parasite 49 where one person puts themself under the shield of another... A tremendous picture I think... Is there a dictionary that would quote all known uses of a word? Or a must have book list that would cover all the bases in addition to BDAG?

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 10:47 AM

I concur doctor:

George Somsel:

Al Dobko:

Could someone please post the BDAG entry for υποτασσω so I can compare it with my other dictionaries before I buy it? Thanks!

If you don't have BDAG, you're trying to study NT and Patristic Greek with one hand half your brain tied behind your back.  There is no equal to it.

mm.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 11:09 AM

Al Dobko:

I have a Liddell Scott dictionary that quotes Lucian Parasite 49 where one person puts themself under the shield of another... A tremendous picture I think... Is there a dictionary that would quote all known uses of a word? Or a must have book list that would cover all the bases in addition to BDAG?

A humble word of advice - pay attention to the dates of your resources. When did Lucian write? Word usage changes over time, just because a word was used in a particular sense in one time does not mean another author would have been aware of that same sense 1000 years earlier or later. I think this is one reason why BDAG is so highly favored. It compares Biblical words to other literature of the same period.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 11:43 AM

Very good point David

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Josh | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 1:07 PM

I agree. BDAG is very good.

Also, I found this book in my Logos library. I haven't read through it all, but what I did read was interesting. 

https://www.logos.com/product/25039/headship-submission-and-the-bible-gender-roles-in-the-home

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Al Dobko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 3:00 PM

I normally wouldn't pay any attention to a secular source when doing a word study; but the Lucian idea caught my attention along with Hippocrates using hupotasso to explain the ulna bone of the forearm... The idea being under for support... I just think in Ephesians 5 the language is tender and submit doesn't seem like the greatest word for hupotasso in that context... I imagine a husband leaning on his wife and her supporting him... An idea of leadership to be sure, but in English submit brings to mind the ultimate fighting championship... Someone grinding their elbow into someone's temple until they submit... :) 

Submit works for other verses and context it just seems in Ephesians 5 support might be better... Not trying to rewrite the verse just thinking about my ulna... ;)

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Al Dobko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 3:03 PM

Josh I added the book to my wishlist I'll check it out!

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 25 2014 3:16 PM

Hmm, I thought that was humorous.  Wink

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