Syntax Search רֵאשִׁית

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Michael Fordham | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Oct 9 2014 5:43 AM

The NIDOTTE says that רֵאשִׁית is used in an absolute, independent construction 5×, only one of which carries the meaning “beginning” (Isa 46:10).

I would like to search for these five times and have been trying to do a syntax search all day.  I have watched videos and searched the forums, but although I found some similar searches, nothing helped and I am at a loss.

Can someone out there help me to know how this search can be done?

Many thanks,

Michael

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SamK | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 9 2014 12:04 PM

Michael,

I did a simple Moph seach and came up with * hits.  By simply observation you can see that three of the hits are not independent and the other five are.

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SamK | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 9 2014 12:09 PM

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SamK | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 9 2014 12:27 PM

I finally got a picture for you.   I need to edit the number of total hits to eight,  five of which are independent.

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Michael Fordham | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 9 2014 9:45 PM

Hi Sam,

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it very much!

According to these results though, Isaiah 46:10 is not independent whereas NIDOTTE says that it is.  I must be making a mistake somewhere...?

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Michael Fordham | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 9 2014 11:44 PM

I created this search from Isaiah 46:10 but it gets no results at all... :-(

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Michael Fordham | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 9 2014 11:52 PM

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 10 2014 4:02 AM

It often pays to keep it simple

I could have started it from the preceding Clause but no further back.

Either way provides the one result Is 46:10

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Michael Fordham | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 10 2014 4:45 AM

Hi Dave,

I was following a video example, but that is so much more simple and understandable! Thank you!

How would I expand that to get all 5 verses where רֵאשִׁית is used in an absolute, independent construction?

Many thanks for your help!

Blessings,

Michael

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 10 2014 6:18 AM

Dave was just trying to show you how you could simplify what you did.

As SamK illustrated, the search for reshit in an absolute state is easy using the Morph search.

And, if by "independent", the author of the article in the NIDOTTE meant that it didn't have a prefix or suffix, then it is clear that either the author is wrong regarding Isaiah 46:10, or that the author was referring to a different textual version. 

There's no need to use a syntax search... at least if that is what is meant here by "independent" and "absolute."

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Michael Fordham | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 10 2014 6:37 AM

Thank you, I appreciate what Dave showed me and also SamK. I understand that the Morph search uses the Syntax search engine and I want to learn how to use this powerful tool, so I set myself the task of looking for these five examples - without much success.  It is easy to follow a video with examples, but using it for other searches is the real test.

I will keep trying to learn...

Blessings,

Michael

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 10 2014 11:46 AM

Apart from the videos, and trial and error, the best place to learn is here: https://faithlife.com/logos-syntax-searching/activity. This is a Faithlife group dedicated to Syntax Searching. There are lots of examples searches you can download, and lots of helpful people. Yes

Be sure when you go there to check out the "Creating a Syntax Search" Notes document. This document describes a methodology for syntax search. As well, be sure to look through the "Shared Syntax Searches - Descriptions" Notes document, which describes many of the searches available there. Then, connect up to some of the searches and try to work through them, understanding the logic. Some of them can get pretty complicated, so start with some simple ones and work up. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Oct 10 2014 1:39 PM

Michael Fordham:
I understand that the Morph search uses the Syntax search engine and I want to learn how to use this powerful tool, so I set myself the task of looking for these five examples

They are independent search engines but Syntax Search uses the Morphological syntax for consistency.

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Michael Fordham | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 11 2014 12:42 AM

Fr Devin Roza:

Apart from the videos, and trial and error, the best place to learn is here: https://faithlife.com/logos-syntax-searching/activity. This is a Faithlife group dedicated to Syntax Searching. There are lots of examples searches you can download, and lots of helpful people. Yes

Be sure when you go there to check out the "Creating a Syntax Search" Notes document. This document describes a methodology for syntax search. As well, be sure to look through the "Shared Syntax Searches - Descriptions" Notes document, which describes many of the searches available there. Then, connect up to some of the searches and try to work through them, understanding the logic. Some of them can get pretty complicated, so start with some simple ones and work up. 

Thank you Devin. I have joined the Faithlife group and look forward to learning more about how to use the Syntax search tool. Many thanks for your advice!

Blessings,

Michael

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Michael Fordham | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 11 2014 12:43 AM

Dave Hooton:

Michael Fordham:
I understand that the Morph search uses the Syntax search engine and I want to learn how to use this powerful tool, so I set myself the task of looking for these five examples

They are independent search engines but Syntax Search uses the Morphological syntax for consistency.

Thank you Dave. You are always most helpful on the Logos Forums and I appreciate you very much!

Blessings,

Michael

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 11 2014 2:54 AM

Michael Fordham:
Thank you Dave. You are always most helpful on the Logos Forums and I appreciate you very much!

Thank you for your encouragement!

Dave
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