New to Logos so What package should I get?

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Jim Hyman | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Oct 22 2014 3:15 PM

I attend a southern Baptist Church. I am new and want to be certain to get what I will use. I teach a Sunday School class and Discipleship Class. Thus far I have used and am familiar with the following servants of the Lord. Contemporary ones like John MacArthur and David Jeremiah. Historical ones like Mathew Henry, John Bunyon, Charles Spurgeon, David Martin Loyd Jones.

I don't know so many of the authors in the Packages I need help. If you have similar background and would share what you have done I would be grateful.

Jim Hyman

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 3:27 PM

There's a thread I started that You might glance: My Protestant base-package upgrade choice (from OLL)

A somewhat small part of the value of books I have, comes from base-packages. Whichever denomination (Logos provides several denominations with base-packages) I tend not to guy go beyond Bronze/Verbum Foundations+ -level. Try to look for series or collection You will like, plus decide what level of original language tools You will need. Remember that many kind of things have to be purchased outside base-packages, such as Bible dictionaries and usually also Church dictionaries and original languages lexicons.
Don't focus on which databases You want, You can add the Minimal Crossgrade after a base-package purchase if You really need to.
Don't look at how much You want to spend. Look at how much You want to spend the next 1½ years, decide that first. When You've decided consider how large part of that You may (but are not forced to) spend on base-packages.

If You want to be very specific about what You want, other deals than base-packages are a priority.

EDITed out a funny typo.
EDIT2: It reminds me of an old typo by someone else: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/51881.aspx "form languages to scholor". L4 Scholar's Library was the previous designation for the generic Bronze.

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Jim Hyman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 3:44 PM

Thank you, information is always of value to me.

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Everett Headley | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 3:46 PM

Jim,

 As a fellow SBC my thoughts tend towards either the Baptist Bundles or the Base Packages.  I personally have the Baptist Large Bundle and Reformed Platinum Package.  I would then supplement with individual commentaries  and author's works that you like.  I would look at your pastors personal library and see what he recommends and look for thone books in Logos.  Alo when you buy a base package you get 50% off any and all bundles. A good time to buy some. I like the marriage, counseling and theology bundles.  I also would recommend Pipers collections and sermon library.  All of this adds up but they can put you on a payment plan.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 4:57 PM

Jim - as a baptist - I would steer you away from Unix suggestions. He has stated numerous times that he's as far from a baptist as you can get :). Interesting guy but none-the-less comes from a radically different perspective.

I would suggest you check out a good L5 base package. I've got platinum my self. The baptist packages are not bad either.

Mark has a good conservative review out there, I will see if I can find it for you.

Everett's advice is good too.

Rumors abound that there may well be a new set of base packages and a new version of the software in the next week or two. Are they true? Not sure. If they follow their traditional pattern it will be next year about this time.

All that said, personally I've found the best prices come through the sales department. You might think about emailing Rusty Davidson (or calling, but I always email him) he's good about giving the best prices, responds quick, is a heck of a nice guy, and a graduate of one of the six baptist seminaries. You can reach him at Rusty.davidson@faithlife.com or call him at: 360-319-2554

Base Package Reviews

I personally have L5 Platinum, Reformed Platinum, Baptist Silver, Anglican Bronze, Pentecostal and Charismatic Silver, and all the journals I've been able to afford. Some people see their logos library like they might a set of commentaries sitting on the shelf, pull it out, read this weeks section, put it back on the shelf. With Logos, you can do this on a much grander scale. Instead of reading just one commentary, I can read 20 - some from my perspective, and some from others. Even if I don't agree with them, sometimes those I disagree with ask good questions. I feel like I have a better understanding of the text and surrounding issues this way. In a very real sense the more books you feed Logos, the more powerful it becomes.

If you do contact Rusty, let him know I sent you :).

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 6:32 PM

A thought for consideration. Try to ensure that whatever packages you get, that you get all of the datasets. As far as a standard base package goes, that would begin with Gold. Gold also has the UBS Handbooks which are good for Sunday School teachers. I am in no way an expert (Yet) on Logos or the packages, but can reply based on my thoughts.

Everett and Abondservant suggested some great packages and resources.

You probably won't use your entire library consistently day to day, however, the value to me is having the resources less used available for the time that they are really needed.

BTW: I am Non-Denominational with a Baptist upbringing.

David Jeremiah and John MacArthur have a couple very good packages, as well as John Piper.

The main reason for my limited reply was to point out the datasets.

Be blessed.

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Ralph Hale | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 6:44 PM

abondservant:
He has stated numerous times that he's as far from a baptist as you can get :). Interesting guy but none-the-less comes from a radically different perspective.
Very diplomatic Wink Every new forum user should be made aware of his " Radical Views" Stick out tongue

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 6:59 PM

I'm also far from Baptist but there is some basic principles that apply to everyone:

  • Your best prices on commentaries usually come in packages ... explore various commentaries - devotional, technical, socio-rhetorical -- a pick some that you would actually use and give points toward purchasing packages that include those commentaries
  • Think dataset=functionality that will be useful to me if I learn to use it ... give points towards purchasing packages that include the datasets
  • Consider your personality and interests - if you want to explore and decide for yourself give extra points to the more generic packages; if you want to be able to simply accept what you read give points to the narrower denominational packages.
  • Look at the ratio of resources you are sure you won't need ... for myself think church administration ... and subtract a few points from packages with a high ratio of unused books
  • Then look at your budget, start at the highest point you can and assume that you will continue adding resources as the needs arise and you become more familiar with Logos functions.
  • Ignore all advice that clearly doesn't fit.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 7:00 PM

Jim Hyman:

Thank you, information is always of value to me.

I'm sure most will agree, but when it comes to listening to Unix for advice on base packages, it would be wise for you to ignore his comments.  He pretty much avoids them because he doesn't like them and would not recommend them and for some reason he thinks every body else should think the same way.  So, from my perspective, it's always good to have a little bit of everything.

I'm a non-denominational part time minister and I own:

Platinum (Standard Base Package)

SDA Silver

Reformed Silver

Anglican Silver

Pentecostal & Charismatic Silver

Lutheran Starter

Along with other resources like the College Press NIV Commentaries (OT & NT), ABE, EBC, Tyndale Commentaries, AYBD, BECNT, BNTC, etc., etc.

Will I ever use everything I own? perhaps no, but I can assure you I paid less than what Unix has paid for all he owns and he still won't use it all in spite of his claims of only buying what he needs and thinks he will use.  Check his return record (comments) and you'll see he's not good for giving advice.

Anyway, have a great night!

DAL

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 7:16 PM

Jim,

I see you've mentioned John MacArthur. 

I'm not sure if you're aware, but all John MacArthur's sermons are on his website. And all his sermons are basically the same as his commentaries (at least the ones from the 1970's). So if you're thinking about buying John MacArthur's Commentary, check out his old sermons, they're exactly the same.

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Andy Tucker | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 7:34 PM

My best advice is to consult Unix/NA's advice, Then do the exact opposite.

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 7:43 PM

DAL:
I'm sure most will agree, but when it comes to listening to Unix for advice on base packages, it would be wise for you to ignore his comments.

Is a post from one person posting a sincere opinion that is disagreeable to you worse than a thread full of people bashing one person for posting his sincere opinion?

And your post in the other thread was uncalled for.

Post something helpful or move on.

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Rob | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 7:47 PM

DAL:
Check his return record (comments)

Where do you see that?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 7:57 PM

My advice? Ignore both Unix and DAL in this thread. As you read the forums, develop your own opinion on how to interpret their posts. Each can be knowledgeable and helpful. Each can be idiosyncratically opinioned. Sounds just like most of us, right?

N.B. if the subject is canons or lectionaries you can count on me to be idiosyncratically opinioned -- and proud of it.Stick out tongue

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 8:03 PM

Ralph Hale:

abondservant:
He has stated numerous times that he's as far from a baptist as you can get :). Interesting guy but none-the-less comes from a radically different perspective.
Very diplomatic Wink Every new forum user should be made aware of his " Radical Views" Stick out tongue



Well diplomacy wasn't exactly the aim; and I haven't said anything of him that he hasn't said of himself at one point or another. 

EDIT: I do think the thread has gone too far; a lesson I am still learning is that we will draw more flies with honey than vinegar. I am prone to being acerbic from time to time my self. Its something I'm working on - something we can all learn I should think. I doubt anyone had the market cornered on kindness other than Jesus, and Milford was possibly a close second.

Lets honor his memory.

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                   I appreciate your post!                  I rejoice when we care about each other and respect one another's needs and feelings and strengths and weaknesses ..........              et cetera, eh?!

                           I'd love to preach a sermon -- hold forth a homily? -- share with others? re. our speech being seasoned with salt; however, since it is late, late, late, late in my home, let the following quote suffice!                                Again, Blessings and Peace to my Logos Community Forums Brothers and Sisters with a simple word             -- There is NEVER a need to be rude!

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Silent Sam | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 10:57 PM

Andy Tucker:

My best advice is to consult Unix/NA's advice, Then do the exact opposite.

                                                                          Hmm HHHMMMmmm~~~ Hmm

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Unix | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Oct 22 2014 11:53 PM

I honestly don't think I've returned a lot, especially not compared to how much I've bought.

Some advice that others have give is good, such as that the UBS Handbooks is good - I have the New Testament set bought used in Accordance and the Upgrade (I think it was 6 volumes from the Old Testament incl. Apocrypha) in Logos, plus the Psalms volume in Logos. It's more tiresome and takes a lot more time to choose the individual volumes, individual collections and pre-pubs (especially pre-pubs) You want, but for me personally it has been great fun. As You buy a lot, eventually You can get 25% off almost any items both regular price and monthly or three-day sale items, and twice I have got an even higher discount - one of those times I got a huge discount and have since then sold that item at regular price i.e. for a great profit but am going to re-purchase it from Logos/Noet at some point later on when I have better finances.

What You choose to do may ultimately depend on how much time You have and whether You want a lot right now. But even the best base-packages are far from complete, You always have to assume having to complement them. It's true that many customers only buy a base-package though:

DAL:
Check his return record (comments) and you'll see he's not good for giving advice.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 23 2014 12:21 AM

Maybe a bit off topic, but it came into my mind that there is no Jewish base package, although it looks like it could be built using the currently available Logos books. Just wonder would it find market?

Gold package, and original language material and ancient text material, SIL and UBS books, discourse Hebrew OT and Greek NT. PC with Windows 8.1

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Paul C | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 23 2014 12:30 AM

MJ. Smith:

My advice? Ignore both Unix and DAL in this thread. As you read the forums, develop your own opinion on how to interpret their posts. Each can be knowledgeable and helpful. Each can be idiosyncratically opinioned. Sounds just like most of us, right?

N.B. if the subject is canons or lectionaries you can count on me to be idiosyncratically opinioned -- and proud of it.Stick out tongue

Gotcha ! We should disregard all the idiosyncracies and opinions except yours. Yes 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Oct 23 2014 1:28 AM

Paul C:
Gotcha ! We should disregard all the idiosyncracies and opinions except yours. Yes 

Thank you for making an exception for me that I didn't make for myselfBig Smile

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