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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 12 2014 5:42 AM

I was a Logos owner and bought Verbum when it came out, was told to write : Set verbal to yes.
Then saw the Verbum app.
Was told I didn't need it as "set Verbum to yes" did the same thing as the App.

My question is: Does this remain true now?

Is there any difference in function if I download the Verbum app?

Thanks in advance.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 6:26 AM

Fr. Charles R. Matheny:

Is there any difference in function if I download the Verbum app?

Hopefully a related question: Where do we find a list of all of the differences between the following?  :

     set Verbum to no     in Logos 6

     set Verbum to yes    in Logos 6

     running the Verbum program itself

[the differences have been small but at some date running both Logos x and Verbum will be needed if you own both]

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 12 2014 11:55 AM

David Ames:
[the differences have been small but at some date running both Logos x and Verbum will be needed if you own both]

From my understanding you should never need both, but some features that are directed to catholics will require Verbum to run them.

-Dan

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 5:20 AM

Dan Francis:

David Ames:
[the differences have been small but at some date running both Logos x and Verbum will be needed if you own both]

From my understanding you should never need both, but some features that are directed to catholics will require Verbum to run them.

-Dan

If you will / do need Verbum to run a feature will we always be able to use that feature by 'set verbum to yes'?  Your reply implies that:

A) Verbum  will have more features as it will have the added features directed to catholics

or B) Logos X with 'set verbum to yes' will always pick up those features.  Please clarify.  Thanks.  

[[There maybe only so much they [Faithlife] can do with a global switch like 'set verbum']]

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 9:42 AM

David Ames:

Dan Francis:

David Ames:
[the differences have been small but at some date running both Logos x and Verbum will be needed if you own both]

From my understanding you should never need both, but some features that are directed to catholics will require Verbum to run them.

-Dan

If you will / do need Verbum to run a feature will we always be able to use that feature by 'set verbum to yes'?  Your reply implies that:

A) Verbum  will have more features as it will have the added features directed to catholics

or B) Logos X with 'set verbum to yes' will always pick up those features.  Please clarify.  Thanks.  

[[There maybe only so much they [Faithlife] can do with a global switch like 'set verbum']]

Currently as I understand it Logos 6 "set verbum to yes" gives you the same functionality as the Verbum 6 app. We were told when Verbum debuted by Logos employees that even though currently at that time "set verbum to yes" gave you all features that the Verbum app did eventually any new functionality/features designed for Roman Catholic users would appear only in Verbum. It is very true that Verbum can now and likely always will open and perform all tasks Logos 6 does, it is equally true to say some features that are primarily Catholic in interest will be implemented in Verbum and will not be incorporated in Logos 6.

One example, that I have no desire to see, but one day well may come. Saying your Rosary with Verbum. Since this would require extra graphic resources and a new menu item, I can see how this type of thing may find implementation only in Verbum. Although variations like Anglican Rosary/Orthodox Rosary would be great options and then might make more sense to apply on Logos 6 at that point as well.

That of course is a total fiction of an upcoming Verbum feature as far as I know. But it is also the type of thing that would likely never find it's way into the Logos program even if "set verbum to yes" is active. Since we were told Verbum features will eventually not be implemented in the Logos program it only makes sense that if you want all Verbum features you should be running it. To keep both a Logos install and a verb install makes little to no sense to me since Verbum can read all books and I believe has most all features that are found in Logos (in the back of my mind it seems to me there might be some sermon archive related item that does not function in Verbum, but I cannot remember what feature or function it was).

Hopefully some actual Faithlife personnel can step in to confirm what I have said and or tell us the future for Logos "set verbum to yes".

-Dan

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 9:58 AM

The online sermon sections in the guides exist in Logos but not Verbum. For the purposes of answering user questions, I keep both on my machines ... which also allows me to beta test in Logos without endangering my Verbum install.

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Louis St. Hilaire | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 13 2014 12:14 PM

"Set Verbum to Yes" in Logos still gets you the same functionality as the Verbum application, but it's really a legacy thing at this point.

We direct all new Verbum customers to install the Verbum application, since this is the most straightforward way for us to deliver the Verbum configuration and features. The Verbum mode in Logos relies on a hidden UI feature or a specific sequence of purchase and installation to be turned on or off--so, for a product aimed at the Catholic market, it was really only a temporary solution.

By the same token, we encourage anyone who is exclusively using the Verbum setup in Logos to move to the Verbum application, and I don't expect that the Verbum mode will be around forever. However, it's still the case for now that you're not missing anything by using the Verbum mode and we don't yet have any specific plans to discontinue it. We will let you know if that changes.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 14 2014 4:24 AM

Louis St. Hilaire:

However, it's still the case for now that you're not missing anything by using the Verbum mode and we don't yet have any specific plans to discontinue it. We will let you know if that changes.

Thanks for the update.  My first personal computer was an Apple ][ with 48 KB main memory and a disk ][ with about 100 KB storage.  My next will need 8 GB main memory and 1TB disk storage to run both Logos X and Verbum X. 

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 14 2014 4:36 AM

Dan Francis:

One example, that I have no desire to see, but one day well may come. Saying your Rosary with Verbum. Since this would require extra graphic resources and a new menu item, I can see how this type of thing may find implementation only in Verbum. Although variations like Anglican Rosary/Orthodox Rosary would be great options and then might make more sense to apply on Logos 6 at that point as well.

To me that sounds more like Verbum functionality even for Anglican use.  Also full lectionary support might make Verbum useful for even Methodist users.   

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 14 2014 10:28 AM

David Ames:

Dan Francis:

One example, that I have no desire to see, but one day well may come. Saying your Rosary with Verbum. Since this would require extra graphic resources and a new menu item, I can see how this type of thing may find implementation only in Verbum. Although variations like Anglican Rosary/Orthodox Rosary would be great options and then might make more sense to apply on Logos 6 at that point as well.

To me that sounds more like Verbum functionality even for Anglican use.  Also full lectionary support might make Verbum useful for even Methodist users.   

The more integrated support of the Catholic lectionary into the missal set up is fabulous for RCC users. As a brief note the catholic usage of the Rosary usually revolves around devotional prayers on the events of Mary's life, some have modified it as a scripture Rosary, bringing to account the revilement scripture verses for each "mystery". To me as a non-Catholic this feels like the best way for one to pray the rosary. Orthodox rosary prayers tend to revolve around the Jesus Prayer "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God have mercy on me[, a sinner.]", and is a way to help promote a constant prayer in one's heart (at least as I understand it). The Anglican Rosary is something I have used for many years now. It is relatively new and has no set prayers, if Faithlife ever implement such a thing, it would be good to allow one to set the prayers for it as well as accommodating the different sizes of roasties out there. Indeed I make a few dozen Anglican Rosaries a year and donate them to our annual art fair book sale. I do not consider the ones I make to be any high art but simple practical resources for devotional prayer with material I print off to explain the make up of it and same prayers. Anglican Rosary is a link to an ePub book version of the booklet I print off to go with it.  For anyone remotely interested in the Anglican roast I have posted the link.

-Dan

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 14 2014 11:17 AM

Dan Francis:

As a brief note the catholic usage of the Rosary usually revolves around devotional prayers on the events of Mary's life ...

 

OT.  Actually, they are based on the event's in Jesus' life.  They are grouped in 4 sets of five stories each from the Bible.  Joyful Mysteries, Sorrowful Mysteries, Luminous Mysteries, and Glorious Mysteries.  A beautiful way to meditate on the life of our Lord and Savior.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Nov 14 2014 2:25 PM

My apologies you are right.. I had meant Christ's life, I have said the catholic Rosary before, but I guess it is all those Hail Marys that occasionally make you think about her :) 

-Dan

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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 15 2014 7:06 PM

Well, not sure I see any advantage to my owning Verbum but, thats another thought process.

Question: If I install Verbum App, do I have to go through another install/indexing process?

Thanks for all the helpful input- truly do appreciate it.

Grace and Peace.

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David Ames | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 15 2014 7:15 PM

Fr. Charles R. Matheny:

Question: If I install Verbum App, do I have to go through another install/indexing process?

I do not have the Verbum program installed on my PC but from what I have read here on the forum the answers seems to be Yes.

Yes, install the resource for each program, once for Logos and once for Verbum and then index both.

It also seems that most users will pick one and be happy.  Then there are those of us that will use both - fun!

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 15 2014 7:16 PM

Reindexing is necessary but one does not have to download everything again. If you install Verbum and cancel the download and then you can transfer the resources from the logos folder to the verb folder.

-Dan

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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 8:17 AM

no way to do that anymore apparently>

Guess in calling Logos. Man, why cant they figure out : Down load, then index- sheesh.

The download just sends my processors to 180% and up and download gets stuck, fans running as hard as they can. Took over two days to get update to 5, then another full day for 6 and now, even worse for verbal so far.

Pretty decent internet connection, not a ma problem ( i never had the wifi issues etc. everything else works fine. Can down load 10 gig worth of video/audio files- no problem, same size from Logos/Verbum- days on end, over taxing computer.

Man, but ready to go back to Accordance and just buy books for what they don't have - just so very frustrating.

Well, off to the wonder world of Logos tech support. sheesh, what a wasted day.

Thanks for everyones help and advice- you folks and one sales person at Logos are the only things that redeem these situations for me- thankful for all of you.

Grace and Peace

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Fr. Charles R. Matheny | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Nov 18 2014 9:16 AM

Got logos support. Cant really do the copy resources anymore so, we just dumped the verbum and stayed with logos 6.

Nothing going to change for quite some time so, no need for app really.

Thanks all.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 6 2014 7:03 PM

Fr. Charles R. Matheny:
Cant really do the copy resources anymore so, we just dumped the verbum and stayed with logos 6.

Thankful scan command works for copying resource files from one Logos 6 installation to other Logos 6 and Verbum installations.  Personally download to one installation and use scan command to duplicate library with 53 GB of resource files.

Wiki has => https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_Multiple_Macs

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