Journals section in Passage Guide returns no results?

This evening the Journals section of my Passage Guide returns no results (although I have 1000+ "Journal" resources). It has also lost the "Settings" drop-down that I see in Morris Proctor's QuickStart videos. Closing Logos and then re-starting did not help. Any ideas?

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Mark Smith

Mary-Ellen, what you are seeing is a new section created for Logos 6. It is not the one you recall with 'settings' which (it seems) is a collection section of the guide that you set to search a collection of journals. You can add that back in to your guide.

The new section searched special tagging that Logos is currently doing to journals giving a main scripture text to each article where appropriate and a main topic or topics. This section returns fewer hits because it is only searching this new tagging, not all the text of your journals as you anticipated. Again, restore a Collection section to your guide and use settings to choose you journals collection to search.

Mary-Ellen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/662550#Comment_662550

Thanks, Mark, for your help. In the Logos 6 QuickStart video on the Passage Guide, Morris' "Journals" section returns hits in Themelios, which I also own, and his Journals section also shows the Settings drop-down. He actually runs his guide on just 2 verses within this Luke pericope; when I ran my guide on those same two verses, I got similar results to what you see in my screenshot. Could this have changed in Logos 6 after Morris filmed the video?

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/662557#Comment_662557

That is exactly what happened. As I recall, if you look at Morris's screen you'll see that word 'settings' on the Journals line. He 'faked' the new tool for the filming as the real one wasn't ready. You are seeing the real thing.

Another reason you will get fewer hits in the Journals section is that Logos has not yet tagged all the journals. When they do this section will help you get more focused results from all your journals than is now possible.

Mary-Ellen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/662559#Comment_662559

Thank you! That's very interesting. So helpful to have you beta testers around who know the back story. And I'm very glad to hear that some enhancement of journals is in the works; they could be so much more useful if we didn't have to wade through so many hits that are really tangential.

Mark Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/662566#Comment_662566

I certainly agree with your last statement. When searching journals I usually constrain my search to Large Text, Headings Text, and Titles. That gets me closer to what I want, but it still leaves a lot to wade through. I give Logos two thumbs up for doing the work to help improve our search results in our journals.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/662568#Comment_662568

If you have the Journal of Biblical Literature you will get a hit.

Mary-Ellen

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/662573#Comment_662573

Thank you, MJ! I thought I had it, seems like I have almost everything else, but turns out I don't -- or at least I didn't . . . ;-D

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/663688#Comment_663688

GregW

This evening the Journals section of my Passage Guide returns no results (although I have 1000+ "Journal" resources). It has also lost the "Settings" drop-down that I see in Morris Proctor's QuickStart videos. Closing Logos and then re-starting did not help. Any ideas?

I get the same results as you. I did, however, try it on another reference (see below) where I knew I had a relevant hit in my journals. This found hits in my Journals collection but not in the Journals section of the PG, where the journal title makes explicit reference to the passage. It appears that the Journals section of the PG will be using curated links, and that the tagging process isn't that well advanced as yet. I think I'll leave the Journals Collection section in my Passage Guide for the time being!

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/664578#Comment_664578

Is explicit reference sufficient or is the journal section intended to give us articles where the reference is actually discussed?

GregW

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/664583#Comment_664583

Is explicit reference sufficient or is the journal section intended to give us articles where the reference is actually discussed?

The first hit in my journals collection section does discuss that passage (I deliberately selected a passage I knew I had a journal article for). It's worth being aware of: I will certainly keep the Journals collection in my custom Passage Guide until I start seeing journal articles appearing in the Journals section as well. I think this will be a great feature once the tagging is filled out. I am surprised that Scripture tags don't trigger a result in a passage search for this section though.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/664593#Comment_664593

I am surprised that Scripture tags don't trigger a result in a passage search for this section though.

I believe you can "thank" the beta testers for that as they saw it as a closer parallel to the Sermon Section and saw no need for another collection section.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/664596#Comment_664596

Help file description: "Journals – Similar to Collections, but limited and dedicated to Journals."

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/664599#Comment_664599

Help file description: "Journals – Similar to Collections, but limited and dedicated to Journals."

Which is what was first offered and if I read the forums correctly may be illustrated on the training video - complete with settings. Not exactly what was delivered although I have no clue as to how Faithlife wishes to describe it.

Eli Evans (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/664599#Comment_664599

Help file description: "Journals – Similar to Collections, but limited and dedicated to Journals."

The help text is wrong (oops). My fault, really, because we changed plans midstream on this feature. Originally it was just going to be a clone of the Collections section automatically tuned into Journals. This would have searched for citations to the key passage in any resource of type:Journal. We didn't build that, though.

Instead, sometime in the mid to late summer we decided that we could do BETTER: Instead of finding citations of the key verse (which is already pretty easy, see below), we should show you articles that are ABOUT that verse. So we embarked on a fairly large tagging project to add descriptive metadata to each journal article that includes among other things the key references that article is about. We haven't tagged all the journal volumes we want to yet, but we've done quite a few. (As MJ points out, JBL is one.)

Thus, the Journals section in Logos 6 is "similar to the Sermons guide section, but dedicated to Journal articles".

(If you do want to just find all citations in journals, use existing Collections section: 1) Make a collection based on the rule type:Journal. 2) Then add a Collections section to your guide, and in its settings, choose your new collection. 3) You can also use this collection in Cited By, or to Search with.)

Eli Evans (Logos)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/664596#Comment_664596

I believe you can "thank" the beta testers for that as they saw it as a closer parallel to the Sermon Section and saw no need for another collection section.

Yep, we'd already been debating that internally, and the beta program feedback sealed the deal.

Francis

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/664630#Comment_664630

If you do want to just find all citations in journals, use existing Collections section: 1) Make a collection based on the rule type:Journal. 2) Then add a Collections section to your guide, and in its settings, choose your new collection. 3) You can also use this collection in Cited By, or to Search with.

Thanks for the tip (and explanation).