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Hermann Fritz | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jan 14 2015 6:39 AM

Dear Logoscommunity,

I found a pdf-converter, which produces the best results, to make a pdf readable in Logos.It is Nuance PDF, an alternative to the much more expensive Product, we all know.

There ist a downloadoption to test it 15 days. At amazon the standard version costs $ 69.

I converted nearly 5000 pages of an old german science journal in the Docx-Format and the result is very good. And I successfully converted the puplic domain pdf commentaries of Theodor Zahn.

You can mark multiple files as a batch job and convert them on the fly.

Here is Link with a Test and an english youtube clip:

http://www.com-magazin.de/praxis/test/nuance-power-pdf-im-test-510179.html

Greetings from Cologne, Germany

Hermann

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Anthony | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 14 2015 7:02 AM

Do you have any experience with this as compared to Nitro PDF? I am on Nitro PDF v8 and I am not a fan at all. I'm considering this trial and jumping ship if it's better. 

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Hermann Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 14 2015 7:19 AM

Hello Anthony,

I don´t know "Nitro". But I have three other programs (Acrobat Prof 7, Infix, Uni-PDF). They are helpful to insert Text or to convert 1 or 2 pages. The Acrobat Professional 7 has its limitations, when I have to convert very old books like Theodor Zahn. It´s impossible.

But here ist the Result of Zahn. I made a batch job of 12 Commentaries. Look and see ... This are 2 Pages of Zahn. The Wordtext after the conversion has hardly any mistakes. Greetings,

Hermann

Wird KI 4, 9 ein Onesimus als Begleiter des nach Kolossä gesandten Tychicus erwähnt, so ist derselbe nach Phlm Gegenstand dieses Briefchens. Außerdem sind der Name des Timotheus als Mitverfasser und bis auf einen die Namen der Grüßenden beiden Briefen gemeinsam (K1 4, 10 f.; Phlm 23 f.). Ergibt sich daraus noch nicht, daß wirklich alle drei Briefe ganz gleichzeitig verfaßt und abgesandt sein müssen, so stehen sie doch jedenfalls einander zeitlich näher als irgend welche der sonst uns erhaltenen Paulusbriefe. — Es erhebt sich die Frage nach Ab­fassungszeit und -ort.

2. Da der Ap, wie bemerkt, sich in den drei Briefen als Ge­fangenen und zwar offenbar nicht nur in vorübergehender Ver­haftung befindlich bezeichnet, die sogen. zweite Gefangenschaft aber, der 2 Tin zuzuschreiben sein wird, schon um deswillen (vgl. oben) nicht in Betracht kommt, hat man mit Recht ganz allgemein die fünfjährige cäsareensisch-römische Gefangenschaft als voraus­gesetzte Abfassungszeit angenommen. Alle alten Ausleger und die Mehrzahl der neueren entscheiden sich dabei für die römischen Jahre. Doch fehlt es auch nicht an Vertretern der anderen Alternative , daß die Briefe im Kerker von Cäsarea entstanden seien)) Argumente wie die, daß die Nichterwähnung des Onesimus in Eph voraussetze, dieser werde zuerst mit Tychicus nach dem Cäsarea näher gelegenen Kolossä gelangen und dort bleiben, oder, daß das atü Nut.; Eph 6, 22 besage, daß Tychicus den gleichen Auftrag vorher in Kolossä ausrichten sollte, so daß auch hier die Reiseroute als von Ost nach West gehend zu denken sei, sind freilich meist aufgegeben. Sie rechnen, von anderem abgesehen, mit der, wie sich zeigen wird, unhaltbaren ephesinischen Adresse des Eph. Auch daß Onesimus wahrscheinlicher nach Cäsarea als nach Rom geflohen sei, so daß auch seine Rücksendung (Phlm 10 ff.) von dort her geschehe, wird kaum mehr ernstlich geltend gemacht, wenn schon das Gegenteil ohne genauere Kenntnis der Situation schwerlich dargetan werden kann. Denn wenn man auch sagen mag, daß an und für sich ein entflohener Sklave eher in der Masse des römischen Pöbels unterzutauchen hoffen mochte als in der Provinzialstadt Cäsarea, so wäre es doch durchaus denkbar, daß der hier in Frage stehende Sidave Onesimus vielleicht gerade, weil er wußte, der ihm als wohlwollend bekannte Freund seines Herrn sei in Cäsarea zu finden, in Hoffnung auf Fürsprache bei diesem Zuflucht suchte (vgl. schon Beug. zu. v. 11). Hier steht also Möglichkeit gegen Möglichkeit. — Dagegen hat unter den Neueren B. Weiß in seiner Einleitung (§ 24, 2) wieder einmal Nachdruck und zwar ganz entscheidenden Nachdruck auf Phlm 22 gelegt, wonach der Ap nach seiner dort erhofften Befreiung nach Kolossä zu reisen beabsichtigt, während er, als er in Rom Phl 2, 24 schrieb, einen Besuch Macedoniens in Aussicht stellte. Und ander­seits hat Haupt (S. 70 ff.) durch Einführung einer ihm entscheidend dünkenden psychologischen Argumentation, wonach die Eigenart des KI und Eph sich nm' erkläre, wenn die Briefe aus der er­zwungenen Muße in Cäsarea stammen, die Streitfrage zugunsten Caesareas zu erledigen versucht. Ja er macht seine Anerkennung der Echtheit der Briefe direkt von dieser Datierung abhängig. —Aber um zunächst dies zu berücksichtigen, so ergäbe sich doch selbst für den Fall, daß PI nachweisbar erst und gerade nur in Cäsarea jene Bereicherung und Vertiefung seiner Gedanken­welt vollzogen haben könne, die Haupt als charakteristisch für (lie Briefe darlegt, daraus noch keineswegs, daß letztere nicht in der darauffolgenden römischen Zeit entstanden sein könnten. Es werden doch die neugewonnenen Gedanken den Ap auch auf seine Reise und in seinen römischen Aufenthalt begleitet haben, und es wird dort nicht an stillen Stunden gefehlt haben, in denen sie den insbes. in Eph vorliegenden großzügigen Ausdruck finden konnten. Auch der Hinweis Haupts auf den Phl, in dein die von ihm be­schriebene Eigenart von Eph und KI wieder verschwunden sei, und der Versuch dies daraus zu erklären, daß Pl hier wieder in­mitten einer Gemeinde, inmitten seiner gewohnten Tätigkeit stehe, womit die alte Form wie der alte Inhalt wieder da sei (8. 81), erledigt dies schwerlich. Nicht die andere Situation des Ap, sondern die andere Aufgabe des Phl, sowie das andere Verhältnis Pauli zur philippensischen Gemeinde bedingte den anderen Inhalt und Ton des Phl, der übrigens nicht ohne erhebliche Nachklänge an Eph und KI ist (vgl. unten). So beachtenswert darum auch die psychologische Analyse Haupts nach anderer Richtung erscheinen mag, so kann sie über die Streitfrage: ob Cäsarea, ob Rom? nicht entscheiden.

Was aber daS Argument von Weiß anlangt, so ist dasselbe nicht nur gerade von seinem Mitarbeiter am krit.-exeget. Kom­mentar Haupt als „ganz unbrauchbar" charakterisiert worden (8. 4, A 2), sondern es wird dies Urteil von der Mehrzahl der Kritiker geteilt. Ja man wird weitergehen müssen und nicht nur, wie Haupt, den häufigen Wechsel in Pl Reiseplänen betonen, womit nur gerechtfertigt wäre, daß dieser zur Zeit des Phl seine Ab­sicht geändert oder modifiziert haben könne, sondern man wird sagen müssen, daß gerade in Cäsarea, von wo des Ap Verlangen dringend nach Rom weisen mußte (vgl. Rm 15, 28) und obendrein, wie Weiß annimmt, in relativ früherer Zeit dieser Gefangenschaft ein Besuch Kolossäs schwerlich in PI nächsten Plänen Platz

 

1) Als ersten Vertreter dieser Ansicht pflegt man D. Schulz zu nennen (in Stud. u. Krit. 1829 S. 612ff.). Mit der Möglichkeit scheint mir schon Beza zu rechnen, wenn er bemerkt: „potest etiam aliunde seripta videri, qmm dinturna fuerit Panli captivitas".

 

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Anthony | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 15 2015 9:19 AM

Just wanted to say .......WOW. Thank you for posting this. What an incredible difference. I'm going to continue trying the trial for a month, but so far it's flawless. Yes

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Hermann Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 15 2015 1:00 PM

Anthony,

I am glad that I could help you with my post. Enjoy and God bless you! Smile

Hermann

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Ben Misja | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 22 2015 5:48 PM

This is great to hear! I've been meaning to try Nuance for a while.

Hermann, what are your experiences with bilingual text, i.e. German text containing Greek/Hebrew words? Does Nuance play along? I'm still looking for a way to OCR the Gesenius-Kautzsch-Grammatik...

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Hermann Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 23 2015 9:27 AM

Ben, it depends on wether you have the right fonts in your system. I have problems to convert the old "Frakturschrift" or "Akkadian" (Keilschrift).

But there are no problems with Greek or Hebrew, as you can see. The first example is an excerpt from an exegesis and the second is from Gesenius-Kautzsch (Nuance converted the Gesenius-PDF (486 pages) in about 10-15 minutes. It is a very helpful software!

Greetings from Germany

Brief exegesis of Hebrews 2:10-13

Ἔπρεπεν γὰρ αὐτῷ, διʼ ὃν τὰ πάντα καὶ διʼ οὗ τὰ πάντα, πολλοὺς υἱοὺς εἰς δόξαν ἀγαγόντα τὸν ἀρχηγὸν

τῆς σωτηρίας αὐτῶν διὰ παθημάτων τελειῶσαι. ὁ τε γὰρ ἁγιάζων καὶ οἱ ἁγιαζόμενοι ἐξ ἑνὸς πάντες· διʼ ἣν

αἰτίαν οὐκ ἐπαισχύνεται ἀδελφοὺς αὐτοὺς καλεῖν λέγων,

Ἀπαγγελῶ τὸ ὄνομά σου τοῖς ἀδελφοῖς μου,

ἐν μέσῳ ἐκκλησίας ὑμνήσω σε,

καὶ πάλιν,

Ἐγὼ ἔσομαι πεποιθὼς ἐπʼ αὐτῷ,

καὶ πάλιν,

Ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ καὶ τὰ παιδία ἅ μοι ἔδωκεν ὁ θεός.

10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything

exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11 Both the one who makes men

holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. 12 He

says, “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”

13 And again, “I will put my trust in him.”

And again he says, “Here am I, and the children God has given me.” (NIV)

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4 a  ( ֕־) לוֹדָגּ ףֵקָז Zâqēph ḡdôl, and

4 b  (֔־) ןוֹטָק ףֵקָז Zâqēph qāṭôn. The names refer to their musical character. As a disjunctive, Little Zâqēph is by nature stronger than Great Zâqēph; but if they stand together, the one which comes first is always the stronger.

  1. ( ֖־) אָחְפִט Ṭiphḥā or אָחְרַט Ṭarḥā, a subordinate disjunctive before Sillûq and Athnâḥ, but very often the principal disjunctive of the whole verse instead of Athnâḥ; always so when the verse consists of only two or three words (e.g. Is 2:13), but also in longer verses (Gn 3:21).
  2. (ׄ־) ַעיִבְר Rebhîa.
  3. (־֮) אָקְרַז Zarqā, postpositive.

8 a  (Ù) אָטְשַׁפּ Paŝṭā, postpositive, 1 and

8 b  (־֚ ) ביִתְי Yethîbh, prepositive, and thus different from Mehuppākh. Yethîbh

is used in place of Pašṭā when the latter would stand on a monosyllable or on a foretoned word, not preceded by a conjunctive accent.

9. (An) ריִבְתּ Tebhîr.

10 a   (־֜) שֶׁרֶגּ Gèreš or סֶרֶט Ṭères, and

10 b   (־֞) םיִ ֫שַׁ רָ גְּ Geršáyim2 or Double Gèreš, used for Gèreš, when the tone rests on the ultima, and Azlā does not precede.

11 a   (֡־) רְזָפּ Pâzēr, and

11 b   ( ֟־) לוֹדָגּ רֵזָפּ Pâzēr gādôl (Great Pâzēr) or הָרָפ יֵנְרַק Qarnê phārā (cow-horns), only used 16 times, for special emphasis.

12. (־֠) הָלוֹדְג אָשׁיִלְתּ Telı̂̌ā gedôlā or Great Telı̂s̄ā, prepositive.

contradictory (as God and evil-doer); between words which are liable to be wrongly connected; and lastly, between heterogeneous terms, as ‘Eleazar the High Priest, and Joshua’. But the assumption Of a far-reaching critical importance in Paseq is at least doubtful.—Cf. also the important article by H. Fuchs, ‘Pesiq ein Glossenzeichen, ’ in the Vierteljahrsschrift f. Bibelkunde, Aug. 1908, p. 1 ff. and p. 97 ff.

1 1 If the word in question has the tone on the penultima, Pašṭā is placed over it also, e.g וּהֹ ת Gn 1:2; cf. below, l

2 2. Wickes requires Geršáyim (םִיַשְׁרֵגּ).

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Hermann Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 23 2015 9:45 AM

Ben, as you can see, Nuance turns the Hebrew words so that the letters are read from left to right. Whether this can be changed automatically, I do not know (yet). Sad

I think that can be solved manually (case by case). 

Hermann 

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Ben Misja | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 23 2015 10:12 AM

Thanks a lot! That's weird behavior! I'm guessing Nuance may not support right-to-left words in left-to-right paragraphs.

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Hermann Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 23 2015 4:09 PM

Ben, in order to make the right-left-problem a little easier for us, I found the following macro. It works very well in my Word 2007.

It is only usefull for individual (single) Hebrew words and reverses them from right to left, when you have marked them with the mouse.

I gave the macro a shortcut (ctrl+y) to get immediate access. If you are interested and need any help, how to implement this macro in word, 

tell me. Here ist the script:

Sub ReverseCharacters()
Dim sText As String
sText = Selection.Range.Text
If Len(sText) = 2 Then
MsgBox "You must select at least 2 characters!", _
vbCritical, "Reverse Characters"
Exit Sub
End If
For i = Len(sText) To 1 Step -1
Selection.TypeText Mid(sText, i, 1)
Next i
End Sub

Hermann 

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Ben Misja | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 23 2015 5:39 PM

Sounds great! I will give it a try some time.

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Hermann Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 2:57 PM
Ben, I've found a surprisingly simple solution. Word turns Hebrew in the first step from left to right . Save this Docx file 
back to PDF. Then convert this file back into Docx . Voila , Hebrew is then from right to left .

I hope, you have a good Sunday. Greetings from Cologne,
Hermann
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Hermann Fritz | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 3:15 PM
As I previously said, the result depends on the installed fonts.

Here are two sample pages:

1. Example:

§ 109. Use of the Jussive.

As the cohortative is used in the 1st pers., so the jussive is especially found in the 2nd and 3rd pers. sing. and plur. to express a more or less definite desire that something should or should not happen (cf. for its form, which frequently coincides with that of the ordinary imperfect, 2 § 48 f, g). More particularly its uses may be distinguished as follows:

1. The jussive standing alone, or co-ordinated with another jussive:

(a)   In affirmative sentences to express a command, a wish (or a blessing), advice, or a request; in the last case (the optative or precative) it is frequently strengthened by the addition of נאָ. Examples: Gn 1:3 י הִי אוֹרlet there be light! Gn 1:6, 9, 11, &c. (the creative commands); Nu 6:26 the Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace! cf. verse 25. After particles expressing a wish, Gn 30:34 לוּ י הִיI would it might be; Ps 81:9 אִם־תִּשׁ מַע־לִיif thou wouldest hearken unto me! As a humble request, Gn 44:33 ... ו ַהַנּ ֫ ַעי ַי ֫ ַעל... יֵ ֽשֶׁב־נאָ עַב דּךְָָlet thy servant, I pray thee, abide, &c., and let the lad go up, &c., Gn 47:4.

(b)  In negative sentences to express prohibition or dissuasion, warning, a negative wish (or imprecation), and a request. The prohibitive particle used before the jussive (according to § 107 o) is almost always אַל־(in negative desires and requests frequently אַל־נאָ); e. g. Ex 34:3 אִישׁ אַל־י ֵראָneither let any man be seen! Pr 3:7 be not ( אַל־תּ הִי) wise in thine own eyes! Jb 15:31 אַל־ יַ ֽאֲמֵןne confidat. In the form of a request (prayer), Dt 9:26 אַל־תַּשׁ חֵתdestroy not! 1 K 2:20, Ps 27:9, 69:18.

Rem. 1. The few examples of ל אwith the jussive could at most have arisen from the attempt to moderate subsequently by means of the jussive (voluntative) form what was at first intended to be a strict command ( ל אwith imperf. indic.); probably, however, they are either cases in which the defective writing has been misunderstood (as in 1 K 2:6, Ez 48:14), or (as in Gn 24:8) instances of the purely rhythmical jussive form treated below, under k. Moreover, cf. ל א יוֹסֵףJo 2:2 and from the same verb Gn 4:12 (unless it is to be referred to h) and Dt 13:1. The same form, however, appears also to stand three times for the cohortative (see below), and in Nu 22:19 for the ordinary imperfect (but see below, i). 

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2. Example:

(β) After the jussive (or an imperfect in the sense of a jussive or optative) or cohortative, with the same or a different subject, e.g. Gn 1:14 f. ו חָיוּ... י הִי מ א ר תlet there be lights ... and let them be, &c.; Gn 24:4, 28:3, 31:44, 1 K 1:2, 22:13, Ru 2:7, 1 Ch 22:11; after a jussive expressing an imprecation, Ps 109:10.

(γ) After an imperative, also with the same or a different subject, e.g. 2 S 7:5 ו אָֽמ רַתּ ָָ לֵךָ go and tell (that thou mayst tell), &c., and often, perf. consec. after לֵךָ (as also the perf. consec. of אָמ ַרand דִּבּ ֶרvery frequently follows other imperatives); Gn 6:14, 8:17, 27:43 f., 1 S 15:3, 18, 1 K 2:36, Jer 48:26.

(δ) After perfects which express a definite expectation or assurance (cf. § 106 m and n), e.g. Gn 17:20 ֫ כ תִּי א תוֹ ו הִפ רֵתִי א תוֹ הִנֵּה בּ רֵַָbehold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, &c.; Is 2:11, 5:14; on Am 4:7 see above, note 3 on h; in an interrogative sentence, Ju 9:9, 11:13.

(ε) After a participle, e.g. Gn 7:4 for yet seven days, אָ ֽנ כִי מַמ טִירand I will cause it to rain ... וּ מָ חִ ֫ י ִתיand I will (i.e. in order to) destroy, &c.; Jer 21:9; also with a

different subject, Gn 24:43 f. the maiden which cometh forth (הַיּ צֵאת) ... אֵלֶָ ֫ י הָ ו אָֽמ ַר תִּיto whom I shall say ..., ו אָֽמ רָהand she (then) shall say, &c. This use of the perfect consecutive is especially frequent after a participle introduced by הִנֵּה, e.g. Gn 6:17 f.; with a different subject 1 K 20:36, Am 6:14; after a complete noun-clause introduced by הִֵה(cf. § 140), Ex 3:13 behold, I come (i.e. if I shall come) ... לָהֶם ו אָֽמ ַר תִּיand shall say unto them ..., ו אָֽמ רוּand they (then) shall say, &c.; 1 S 14:8 ff., Is 7:14, 8:7 f., 39:6.

(ζ) After an infinitive absolute, whether the infinitive absolute serves to strengthen the finite verb (see § 113 t), e.g. Is 31:5, or is used as an emphatic substitute for a cohortative or imperfect (§ 113 dd and ee), e.g. Lv 2:6, Dt 1:16, Is 5:5, Ez 23:46 f.

(η) After an infinitive construct governed by a preposition (for this change from the infinitive construction to the finite verb, cf. § 114 r), e.g. 1 S 10:8 אֵל ֶָ ֫ יך ָָ

עַד־בּוֹאִי

ו הֽוֹדַע תִּי לךְָָtill I come unto thee (prop. until my coming) and show thee, &c.; Gn 18:25, 27:45, Ju 6:18, Ez 39:27; cf. 1 K 2:37, 42.

Rem. To the same class belong 1 S 14:24, where the idea of time precedes, until it be evening and until I be avenged, &c., and Is 5:8, where the idea of place precedes, in both cases governed by עַד־.

4. The very frequent use of the perfect consecutive in direct dependence upon other tenses (see above, d–v) explains how it finally obtained a kind of independent force—especially for the purpose of announcing future events—and might depend loosely on sentences to which it stood only in a wider sense in the relation of a temporal or logical consequence. 

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Ben Misja | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 4:14 PM

Thanks, this is excellent!

I just discovered you can get Nuance Omnipage 18 (which is the most recent version) new for under $10 on ebay. Definitely going to try my luck.

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Kevin Maples | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 4:55 PM

I use http://finereader.abbyy.com/ I don't know how it compares to Nuance, but it works extremely well. I am very happy with it. 

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Kevin Maples | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 4:57 PM

Here is a comparison review of Finereader and Nuance: http://www.scanstore.com/Document_Management_Solutions/Scanning_FAQ.asp?faqid=6 

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Ben Misja | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 6:43 PM

You're not making it easier. ;-)

I've heard of AABBYY Finereader. Have you tested how well it does with mixed Latin/Hebrew text (as described above)?

Since Omnipage is very affordable to get on ebay and Finereader is not, I will get that for now.

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Kevin Maples | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 7:18 PM

Ben M.:
Since Omnipage is very affordable to get on ebay and Finereader is not, I will get that for now.
I would do the same if I did not already have Finereader. I was just mentioning it so people could know the different options out there. 

Ben M.:
Have you tested how well it does with mixed Latin/Hebrew text (as described above)?
I don't think I have. I'll give it a run this week and maybe post the results. 

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Liam | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 7:21 PM

I've tried ABBYY, my problem is that I have a Mac, and their Mac version sucks. (Or at least it did for the scanned pictures of the 100 year old book that I was trying it on) Is the Mac version of Nuance as good as the PC version? Has anyone had experience with it?

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Kevin Maples | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 24 2015 7:32 PM

I just tried a scanned page from a Hebrew Grammar in Finereader. It was terrible. The program missed about half of the Hebrew. So I may look at Nuance since it is so cheap. However, I've been using Finereader for about 4 years and for English documents, it works great! 

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