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Will Pong | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Jan 16 2015 10:22 PM

Greetings --

I've been using Bible! on the IOS off and on, and have come to realize why it's not a bigger part of my study / workflow.  I'd like it to be.  Maybe there is a trick or a method I'm missing, hence this post.  I did a bit of searching on the forums and I apologize if I missed...

Here's the scenario:

1. I'm reading an english bible (eg nasb95), and I want to understand the gk or hebrew behind an english word.

2.  I tap and hold the word of interest, Select "Look Up," and the popup pane displays the strongs#, and provides a gloss.  So far so good. 

3.  If I want to dig deeper, I select ""Bible Word Study" and oala, there is the Word study pane.  Shows  original language word lists along with pie-chart breakdowns.  This provides a 10,000 foot view of word domains, etc.  Also good.

4.  Here's the question and the problem (it seems obvious enough to me that I may be missing something): How do I quickly determine which greek or hebrew word is behind the specific english occurrence I tap-held?  There seems to be a lack of information linking the two.

Very often, I just want to get a quick look at the greek or hebrew word behind the english, along with the original language synonyms that *weren't* used, and move on.  The Word-Study pane would be *great* for this if it only displayed strongs numbers beside the original language words.  Then I would just need to remember which strongs# was displayed by the initial Look-Up pane as I fire up the Word-Study pane.  As it is, I often root through all of the cited passages at the bottom of the Word-Study pane, until I find the reference that I initially tapped.  Tedious.  Word Study "pain" indeed =].

I recognize there are other resources for getting to the ultimate goal of understandig a the passage, many of which I'm fortunate to have in my library.  GNT and HOT (I do have some training in Greek and Hebrew and can stumble along), Interlinears, Concordances, Louw Nida. DBL, TWOT, TDNT, GNT, and HOT, but often I do not want to embark on a full blown study.  I just want to know the original word and it's synonyms, and keep on reading.

If there is a one-line "duh" answer, I'll be embarrassed that I missed it, but glad that my IPhone could be part of my real workflow.  As alluded, I'll be more than a little surprised if this is a bona fide deficiency...

--Will

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 16 2015 11:57 PM

Hi Will

Will Pong:
I just want to know the original word and it's synonyms, and keep on reading.

The original word is shown in the original popup as below

What extra information are you looking for - or am I missing your point completely?

Graham

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Will Pong | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:10 AM

Thanks for this Graham. I just replied via email. Gist is that your lookup pane (which would address my concern) looks different than mine.  I syspect there is a setting?

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Will Pong | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:13 AM

Note that the first 2 screenshots above are of the nasb lookup pane, and the third is of the ESV lookup pane. Thoughts?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:15 AM

Some questions: Do you own these resources? A base package? Are you connected to the internet?

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Will Pong | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:21 AM
I own both and have both downloaded. Fwiw the lookup pane is the same for the ESV whether downloaded or not.
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Will Pong | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:24 AM
I'm connected to the Internet. I own a base package from some time ago (scholars package of some kind)
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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:26 AM

Will Pong:
I own both and have both downloaded. Fwiw the lookup pane is the same for the ESV whether downloaded or not.

This (nearly - I'm just a bit confused about seeing Strong's information) - looks as though you have the English translations but not the associated reverse interlinears.

Did you purchase these Bibles as standalone products or as part of a Logos base package?

EDIT: Sorry I've just seen your comment above about a base package.

Do you know if this was from Libronix or Logos 4 upwards?

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Will Pong | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:29 AM

They were part of a base package, not separate purchases.

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Will Pong | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:31 AM

(My turn to "sorry" -- I see your subsequent question)  my base package was logos 3 era. 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 8:40 AM

Will Pong:

(My turn to "sorry" -- I see your subsequent question)  my base package was logos 3 era. 

That explains it

For this to work you need Logos 4/5/6 reverse interlinears which are only included in base packages or crossgrades.

The cheapest way to get these is with the Logos 6 starter package - see details of these packages at https://www.logos.com/compare - but that is quite an expense to just get this functionality.

Were you planning to do a Logos 6 upgrade at some stage? It is worth factoring this into that decision.

If anyone knows of any other way of getting this capability I am sure they will advise!

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Will Pong | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 9:11 AM

I sure hope there is a no cost option to get there. Would seem only consistent w/ the paradigm that we pay for resources, not for the software. 

Thoughts or help anyone?

--Will

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 9:16 AM

Will Pong:
I sure hope there is a no cost option to get there. Would seem only consistent w/ the paradigm that we pay for resources, not for the software. 

I am not aware of a no cost option - and the reverse interlinears which drive this feature are resources which have taken significant development and are hence chargeable.

But others on this forums, or people from Faithlife, may have some suggestions.

Or you may want to contact Faithlife customer services - contact details at https://www.logos.com/contact - and discuss this with them.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 17 2015 10:07 AM

Will Pong:
I sure hope there is a no cost option to get there. Would seem only consistent w/ the paradigm that we pay for resources, not for the software. 

...but you don't own the resource! The RI needed to drive the mobile app was created in L4. 

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