Who do you want to win? Who do you think will win?
http://www.logosmarchmadness.com/
I wanted Moltmann to win as I wanted to buy some of his books, but looks like he will be gone in round 1.
Looking at the draw, I would have to say that Moo will win again.
I would love for Barth or Bavinck to win. But I'm guessing Carson (again) will take the top spot.
To me, this March Madness seems to be getting rather stale and predictable. Perhaps it is the rainy weather we are having though.
I agree with this. If Carson wins again...
Still, I'm hoping for Piper all they way.
History would tell us to bet on Carson. He is still very popular.
It's awesome that there are so many white, male, Protestant, Reformed theologians to vote between.
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Pre-Destination at work I guess.
This is my first March Madness and I'm hoping for Piper as well.
March Madness? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Well, in my dreams Jonathan Edwards wins, then Logos breaks up the 26 volume Works of Jonathan Edwards set and offers individual volumes at 75% off.
But like I said, I'm dreaming.
Who do you want to win? Who do you think will win? Well, in my dreams Jonathan Edwards wins, then Logos breaks up the 26 volume Works of Jonathan Edwards set and offers individual volumes at 75% off. But like I said, I'm dreaming.
Who do you want to win? Who do you think will win? http://www.logosmarchmadness.com/
Carson. Booooooooo.
I'm boycotting this years March Madness - its predictable and uneventful. I will only participate if they change the format to resource vs resource.
I think when Logos copies last year's March Madness into this year's March Madness, they should also copy the forum comments and just let everyone edit their comments, if any changes are actually needed.
Being the fly on the wall at Gotham HQ, preparing for March Madness must be maddening. Ok guys, let's see what authors sell ... hmmm .... looks like last year. Okaaaay!
I was excited to see Runge in the competition this year. I am not sure why no one has suggested him yet, but I would LOVE to get some of the discourse and high definition resources he has produced at 75% off. Anyone else feel that way?
Ha!
Who do you think will win?
YAWN! Same old, same old. D.A. Carson wins. We already have all Faithlife is going to offer from him. Next!
They should get whoever designed the bubble display for the new Psalms interactive on their planning team. At least they might have some interesting graphics.
Something very fishy is going on with MM, I am guessing the server is having issues because on almost have of the choices I was given no choice, only told who was in the lead.
-Dan
It would be nice if there was a Verbum section.... As it is I have no interest in choosing my choices because they are few and kicked out of this protestant world before they are given a chance.
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Amen.
It would be nice if there was a Verbum section....
Absolutely! [Y]
Something very fishy is going on with MM, I am guessing the server is having issues because on almost have of the choices I was given no choice, only told who was in the lead. -Dan
Same here
So far it's let me vote on 3 out of the first 8; the rest just had the vote tally.
I had this problem also with several of the choices.
i'm not being negative or anything, but after seeing the same thing for the past three or four years of March madness, I couldn't care less who wins.in the end if there's something I like and the price is right I'll buy it but I'm not voting this year
Just an opinion, but ...
FL should rotate the winner off for 3 years or so that way there will be a new winner at least for a couple of years. This allows others to hit the top positions in other years ... This keeps more interest in MM by those that purchase ....
Some vote year after year, even though they will not purchase. They vote for their same favorite author though they already own the books by that author. Some think they have to vote for every division, they don't. IMO there is just a lot of problems with the whole process.
Why not just make this regular sale?
I'd be interested in Bauckham but there is so little from him in Logos. It would be nice to have some of Runge's material deeply discounted since it gives us access to types of searches we don't normally have in the biblical text and in extant datasets (I guess it depends on which Runge resources will be discounted).
The way the tournament is set up means that certain kinds of authors will always come to the top. For instance, Brueggemann is unlikely to go very far because he is more academic (same for Porter and McKnight). Spurgeon, Tozer are old-time favorites among many and Carson, Piper, Chan more recently Christian bookstore or church library favorites. Wright is the odd ball that is both popular and academic. Bottom-line: academics are unlikely to get deep discounts on the type of resources they would prefer. And other niches will also have to take second-seat to the "Christian bookstore" majority (I mean no disrespect by this label).
It makes good business sense, but why not have both the cake and eat it? A solution would be to reformat the divisions so as to accommodate different niches. For instance, a more academic niche would ensure that one academic author (or collection of resources) would make it to the last four. There it would probably lose to more popular titles, but still it would be good for academics and others would still get "their" winners deeper in the bracket. Likewise, other divisions that represent different niches would allow different segments of users to have a shot at higher discounts on the type of resources they are interested in, instead of all but the predictable same-as-usual pushing out everything else as has been the pattern for several years now.
I agree totally.
Hey Dan,
Sorry for the inconvenience, between your post and some others on the forums and the blog you helped make us aware of the problem. We were able to find a bug in the polling plugin we use on the site which was allowing some people to vote for certain match-ups, but not others. The issue has been resolved and you should be able to vote on the ones you couldn't before.
I find the whole things confusing but I do not follow basketball march madness so perhaps thats why.
It looks like some races I felt I should be able to vote on are not available to me.
Oh well. Have fun everyone. I probably cannot afford the discounted sets anyway.
I asked for a Verbum/Catholic version last year and here I am asking for it again. In the meantime, go St. Augustine and G. K. Chesterton!
Poor Eastern Orthodox...
It's awesome that there are so many white, male, Protestant, Reformed theologians to vote between. It would be nice if there was a Verbum section.... As it is I have no interest in choosing my choices because they are few and kicked out of this protestant world before they are given a chance. I asked for a Verbum/Catholic version last year and here I am asking for it again. In the meantime, go St. Augustine and G. K. Chesterton! Poor Eastern Orthodox...
I suggested more women in the tournament. Technically, Faithlife obliged, with an increase from 0 in 2014 to 1 in 2015.
...why not have both the cake and eat it? A solution would be to reformat the divisions so as to accommodate different niches. For instance, a more academic niche would ensure that one academic author (or collection of resources) would make it to the last four. There it would probably lose to more popular titles, but still it would be good for academics and others would still get "their" winners deeper in the bracket.
It's awesome that there are so many white, male, Protestant, Reformed theologians to vote between. It would be nice if there was a Verbum section.... As it is I have no interest in choosing my choices because they are few and kicked out of this protestant world before they are given a chance. I asked for a Verbum/Catholic version last year and here I am asking for it again. In the meantime, go St. Augustine and G. K. Chesterton! Poor Eastern Orthodox... I suggested more women in the tournament. Technically, Faithlife obliged, with an increase from 0 in 2014 to 1 in 2015.
Yeah, me too. When the questionnaire was issued. They've provided one woman, and I'm still unimpressed. Morna Hooker, Frances Young and Susanne Scholz are all people who've produced excellent literature and easily deserve to be placed heads above June Hunt who has, unsurprisingly, fallen at the first hurdle against somebody who actually was a bible scholar. No contest.
To be honest, the male WASPy thing that Logos has going on is trying my patience. The company is going to find it difficult to enter the Catholic, Orthodox or mainstream markets or break into any non-US setting all the while it fails to properly broaden its scope of promoted publications.
This academic gives a big thumbs up to what Francis said.
Is it March again already?
Time again for my six-week Spring nap. Wake me when Carson's mug disappears from the homepage. [O]
I noticed this too. What female authors do you think would do well in March Madness?
I suggested more women in the tournament. Technically, Faithlife obliged, with an increase from 0 in 2014 to 1 in 2015. I noticed this too. What female authors do you think would do well in March Madness?
I agree that it would be great to see more female authors in both Logos/Verbum and March Madness. At the moment March Madness would be limited to those with works available.
There are a few suggestions throughout this thread https://community.logos.com/forums/t/98952.aspx?PageIndex=1
I'd like recent scholarship. Something not in the Public Domain.
They've provided one woman, and I'm still unimpressed. Morna Hooker, Frances Young and Susanne Scholz are all people who've produced excellent literature and easily deserve to be placed heads above June Hunt who has, unsurprisingly, fallen at the first hurdle against somebody who actually was a bible scholar. No contest.
Well, Hunt is the church library type of author (how often will you find Morna Hooker featured in your church library?). There are ladies who produce excellent scholarship (in addition to those you mentioned, there is also Adele Reinhartz, Judith Lieu, Jeannine Brown, etc) but not many who have produced a large corpus of publications that would provide enough discounted publications and they were featured and won (but correct me if I am wrong on this). As a female academic I know said to me recently, the academic world is still largely a boys' club. This is true in ministry circles as well. As a result, there is disproportion between what the quantity available through male authors rather than female authors.
Besides Hunt, there is Beth Moore who published a lot, but I don't think she'd go far in the tournament either.
Besides "representativeness" why do you think more female authors should be important? Would you feel more included? I am wondering whether other questions of representativeness would then pop up: more non-Caucasian or non-Western writers (again the publishing situation is prohibitive), denominational representativeness, language etc. This could get nightmarish in a hurry.
Just an opinion, but ... FL should rotate the winner off for 3 years or so that way there will be a new winner at least for a couple of years. This allows others to hit the top positions in other years ... This keeps more interest in MM by those that purchase ....
And by rotate I assume you mean remove the winner for at least 2 to 3 years that way others can have a chance to win. I'm I correct? Because if we are going to leave them in the competition and they win again then Faithlife cannot rotate them because supposedly we voted for the winner to win (though we really choosing who wins has always been very questionable).
DAL
Ps. Yep that's what you meant I missed the "off" part in the rotate statement hehehe
I think all these comments are great recommendations. And I don't think they demonstrate the immense marketing prowess of the forum members (although in comparison to a you-know-who Bible software company, it's impressive). I'd assume each removal of a famous-white-man means the Bellingham bank gets fewer deposits to meet the Logosian payroll.
To more fully reflect the image of God, for one thing ("male and female he created them...."). So "representativeness" is a great reason in and of itself... don't you think?
Yes, of course other questions of having more robust offerings (along the lines of non-white writers, etc.) would then pop-up--and already have. And should! The body of Christ is far more diverse (and its already-published-and-available-in-print writings far more diverse) than what exists in Logos--though Olive Tree and Accordance are sadly not exempt from this criticism, either.
Karen Jobes is another name to add to the list. She's got three works already in Logos, with (hopefully) more on the way, or at least worthy of inclusion (Invitation to the Septuagint, her 1-3 John ZECNT commentary). Why was she not included this year? Why not Lynn Cohick?
Karen Jobes
But only three books are currently offered in Logos and I am not sure if they would all be discountable.
They've provided one woman, and I'm still unimpressed. Morna Hooker, Frances Young and Susanne Scholz are all people who've produced excellent literature and easily deserve to be placed heads above June Hunt who has, unsurprisingly, fallen at the first hurdle against somebody who actually was a bible scholar. No contest. Well, Hunt is the church library type of author (how often will you find Morna Hooker featured in your church library?).
Well, Hunt is the church library type of author (how often will you find Morna Hooker featured in your church library?).
Honestly? In the UK, it would be much more difficult (in my view) to find a book by Hunt than one by Hooker.
There are ladies who produce excellent scholarship (in addition to those you mentioned, there is also Adele Reinhartz, Judith Lieu, Jeannine Brown, etc) but not many who have produced a large corpus of publications that would provide enough discounted publications and they were featured and won (but correct me if I am wrong on this). As a female academic I know said to me recently, the academic world is still largely a boys' club. This is true in ministry circles as well. As a result, there is disproportion between what the quantity available through male authors rather than female authors.
"They include:
What size corpus does one need, exactly to be considered worthy of the March Madness?
She doesn't appear to be a bible scholar, so from an academic point of view, I'd give her a wide berth.
Lack of female authors is a personal bugbear. I don't think an author's gender should matter that much, but when the main/only authors available are male, I do wonder whether certain insights and viewpoints might be absent. And, yes, I would very much welcome non-Caucasian writers (I guess Augustine counts here) and more non-Western writers. Every since MJ mentioned the Dalit Commentary, I've been hankering after reading that in Logos. There's also the Asia Bible Commentary Series that hasn't made it into Logos. Obviously, more languages are to be embraced, and I think Logos have already said that they plan on adding those... I don't see why it should get nightmarish, but it might attract new Logos customers.
Morna Hooker's books as listed by Wikipedia...
Granted, but before an author can be featured in March Madness, it's the list of books available in Logos that should matter. There is only one volume from Hooker (Mark, Black Commentary) available in Logos. So perhaps it would be better to militate to get more titles from female scholars in Logos first. Same for Adela Yarbro-Collins. The real question is: how many female authors are there who already have enough volumes available in Logos to make it an interesting prospect for March Madness? I don't know the answer but there is not a crowd of candidates coming to mind. This being said, there is greater representativeness in contributions (as opposed to monographs). I commonly come across articles and chapters from these eminent female scholars.
I personally do not care a whole lot where a work is coming from. An Asian or African commentary is not more interesting just because it is unusual as compared to what I am used to. The notion that it may provide fresh insights may or may not prove true. All I care about in the end is what whether it delivers true and useful insight for study, not just exotic theology or exegesis.
There is however, something to be said about encouraging the development of scholarship among populations that have many more challenges to overcome if they ever hope to be published and read. This can indeed include female writers (in boys' clubs) and scholars from nations else than the wealthy scholarship blocks: US, UK, Germany... Even scholars from France -- in spite of its strong academic tradition -- cannot publish and "succeed" as readily as those from the three previously mentioned nations. Perhaps providing such encouragement could be a separate type of event as I am not sure that it aligns well with what I perceive as purposes of March Madness.
I don't see why it should get nightmarish, but it might attract new Logos customers.[I]
All I care about in the end is what whether it delivers true and useful insight for study, not just exotic theology or exegesis.[*]
There is however, something to be said about encouraging the development of scholarship... Perhaps providing such encouragement could be a separate type of event as I am not sure that it aligns well with what I perceive as purposes of March Madness.[Y]
One Customer, One Vote - if it could be enforced, would provide results I'd find interesting.
I don't see why it should get nightmarish, but it might attract new Logos customers. All I care about in the end is what whether it delivers true and useful insight for study, not just exotic theology or exegesis. There is however, something to be said about encouraging the development of scholarship... Perhaps providing such encouragement could be a separate type of event as I am not sure that it aligns well with what I perceive as purposes of March Madness. One Customer, One Vote - if it could be enforced, would provide results I'd find interesting.
I don't see why it should get nightmarish, but it might attract new Logos customers.
All I care about in the end is what whether it delivers true and useful insight for study, not just exotic theology or exegesis.
There is however, something to be said about encouraging the development of scholarship... Perhaps providing such encouragement could be a separate type of event as I am not sure that it aligns well with what I perceive as purposes of March Madness.
I think I might give up and see if I could find another platform. The problem with "one customer, one vote" is that people tend to vote for what they know, and thus you'd end up excluding all possible future markets. There seem to be very few Catholics (at least on the forums) and thus one customer, one vote, would inevitably lead to further Protestant and Reformed publications, putting off other customers from adopting the platform and further exacerbating the issue.
I think I might give up and see if I could find another platform.
I sincerely hope your need is met, competition in the marketplace is welcome by me. Faithlife is a business for which competition can be beneficial. I'm personally encouraged by, as I see it, the ambitious nature of recent ventures by the company. This includes a broadening of the business, increasing diversity within the store of available resources. What I need from the products I get.
I've got my own bugbears, of course, for which there is no panacea. For the time being I've yoked my ox to the Faithlife wagon and will continue to adjure for improvement as I perceive the need while trusting that those leading the company know what is necessary to maintain viability.
I think I might give up and see if I could find another platform. I sincerely hope your need is met, competition in the marketplace is welcome by me. Faithlife is a business for which competition can be beneficial. I'm personally encouraged by, as I see it, the ambitious nature of recent ventures by the company. This includes a broadening of the business, increasing diversity within the store of available resources. What I need from the products I get. I've got my own bugbears, of course, for which there is no panacea. For the time being I've yoked my ox to the Faithlife wagon and will continue to adjure for improvement as I perceive the need while trusting that those leading the company know what is necessary to maintain viability.
Oh, it'll get there in time. I think FL have an excellent share in the marketplace for publishing theological tomes which can be read, highlighted, manipulated and commented upon virtually. I think the store does appear to be diversifying (especially with the denominational packages, and now with additional monographs). It is just taking a while for the user base to catch up. I'd love to see a Logos rep in the UK as I think there's an untapped market over here.
