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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 12 2015 8:43 PM

You all know that on Community Pricing, you bid the highest you are willing to pay not the going rate. As of yet I fail to see even a bump at the current rate.

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 1:06 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Floyd Johnson:
Am I correct that the bidding process is just to judge interest, not to actually charge for a product?

If you bid, you will be charged if the product goes into production.

I am willing to pay without any hesitation for being able to use Logos on my Lumia 830.  

Bohuslav

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Mark Groen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 4:48 AM

Working this morning I had an idea on why this app is ideal even for people without touch.  If you have a multi-monitor setup it can be like another panel in Logos that you can put another resource in.  In other words you will be able to split Logos up between your two monitors.

Obviously it will not be as powerful but not every resource needs all the features of Logos.

In other words, this isn't just for cheap touch devices it is for everyone with Windows 8.1 or 10 PC.

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Mark Groen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 4:49 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

I am willing to pay without any hesitation for being able to use Logos on my Lumia 830.  

Exactly, they can charge me now if they want. Big Smile

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 6:34 AM

Mark Groen:

Working this morning I had an idea on why this app is ideal even for people without touch.  If you have a multi-monitor setup it can be like another panel in Logos that you can put another resource in.  In other words you will be able to split Logos up between your two monitors.

Obviously it will not be as powerful but not every resource needs all the features of Logos.

In other words, this isn't just for cheap touch devices it is for everyone with Windows 8.1 or 10 PC.

But you know Mark, that you can have as many floating windows on various monitors as you like. Do you? I usually work on my notebook plus 2 additional monitors. Works great.

For me universal application will be first of all Logos on the phone (Lumia 830) and also any situation I want just to read a book or Bible on the tablet. So far I still have iPad, but I will change it for Windows tablet as soon as we have that application.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 7:25 AM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

Mark Groen:

Working this morning I had an idea on why this app is ideal even for people without touch.  If you have a multi-monitor setup it can be like another panel in Logos that you can put another resource in.  In other words you will be able to split Logos up between your two monitors.

Obviously it will not be as powerful but not every resource needs all the features of Logos.

In other words, this isn't just for cheap touch devices it is for everyone with Windows 8.1 or 10 PC.

But you know Mark, that you can have as many floating windows on various monitors as you like. Do you? I usually work on my notebook plus 2 additional monitors. Works great.

Bohuslav,

there are still some screens in Logos that you can see only once (such as the library) which some people work around with a full-fledged duplicate install of Verbum or Noet - the new app could potentially help there. Or it could be the bridge to a full Logos 8/9/10 that runs on post-Win7 in all possible environments, including then-current Windows 12 desktops or so. 

Running Logos 8 latest beta version on Win 10

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David Young | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 11:52 AM

I just bid. Thank you so much!!

David

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 11:59 AM

NB.Mick:

Bohuslav,

there are still some screens in Logos that you can see only once (such as the library) which some people work around with a full-fledged duplicate install of Verbum or Noet - the new app could potentially help there. Or it could be the bridge to a full Logos 8/9/10 that runs on post-Win7 in all possible environments, including then-current Windows 12 desktops or so. 

You are right. Thank you for reminding that. Yes

Bohuslav

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Mark Groen | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 4:15 PM

Bohuslav Wojnar:

But you know Mark, that you can have as many floating windows on various monitors as you like. Do you? I usually work on my notebook plus 2 additional monitors. Works great.

For me universal application will be first of all Logos on the phone (Lumia 830) and also any situation I want just to read a book or Bible on the tablet. So far I still have iPad, but I will change it for Windows tablet as soon as we have that application.

I did not know that.  I'll have to experiment with that.  Thanks for the info!

If only I had known my post was going to expose me as a Logos lightweight.  Big Smile

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Rob Kuefner | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 9:55 PM

I've been an advocate for sometime for this to be offered as a community pricing project, so when I saw this I knew needed to keep my word. I was glad to bid!

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 13 2015 10:10 PM

Mark Groen:
If only I had known my post was going to expose me as a Logos lightweight.  Big Smile

Logos is so complex tool that there are many things I do not know about it also. So you are not alone. Smile

Bohuslav

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 14 2015 1:12 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

If you'd like to indicate your interest in—and support for—a Universal Windows App for Logos Bible Software, place a bid on this new Community Pricing product: https://www.logos.com/product/50060/windows-universal-bible-app 

Your bids—no matter what price—really help us know the number of customers who would like to see a Universal Windows App become a reality, so please spread the word.

I am in.

And I would like to thank Logos for making the effort to gage the interest in such an app.  As someone whose only computer is a Surface Pro 2, I am very interested.

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Michael Childs | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 14 2015 1:18 PM

MJ. Smith:

You all know that on Community Pricing, you bid the highest you are willing to pay not the going rate. As of yet I fail to see even a bump at the current rate.

Thanks MJ.  I did not think about that.  I just upped my bid.

In fact until a few minutes ago, I was unaware that input about this app was being sought, or the app was even being considered.  I suspect that many are not aware.  Those interested need to spread the word.

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Mikko Paavola | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 14 2015 1:55 PM

YesCakeParty!!!

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Bohuslav Wojnar | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 15 2015 11:59 AM

Michael Childs:
Those interested need to spread the word.

Almost all our family is Windows Phone oriented Smile and we are looking forward to seeing this application available.

We need to keep this thread up as long as possible. I hope we will get enough sponsors.

Bohuslav

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Nord Zootman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 15 2015 12:58 PM

Jason Drake:
I also like to work my way through a single book from my Logos library before going to sleep at night and this only makes sense on a smaller tablet with a lightweight reader app. I had been using my old Android tablet for this but it is effectively dead so I just bought an HP Stream 7" Windows tablet for $79 (including a year of Office 365 and 1 TB of OneDrive storage!). It does everything I the old Android tablet did (and more since I have full MS Office!) EXCEPT there is no Logos reader app. If Faithlife can develop this app then I will have absolutely no need for Android or iOS and that suits me just fine!

Jason,

While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.

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Jason Drake | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 15 2015 7:25 PM

Nord Zootman:

Jason,

While you are waiting for that to happen a viable work around might be to install the Kindle app on your tablet and use the "send to Kindle" feature on Logos to send your book to the tablet.

Nord,

This sounds like a nice option. I have the Kindle app on my tablet already but I'm not familiar with how to use the Send to Kindle feature in Logos. How do you do that?

God bless,

Jason

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 16 2015 12:25 AM

Hi Jason

Jason Drake:
I'm not familiar with how to use the Send to Kindle feature in Logos. How do you do that?

The Send to Kindle capability is described at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/92620.aspx 

Does this give you what you need?

Graham

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Jason Drake | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 16 2015 4:41 AM
Thanks Graham, I'll give it a try!
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Bob Schaefer | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 16 2015 2:49 PM

As happy as I am that Faithlife is finally even considering developing a universal Windows app, I'm quickly getting discouraged. The community pricing chart has barely moved despite the excited posts here by Windows users.

I'm not sure community pricing is the right - or fair - way to gauge interest in this. The normal community pricing proposition is: "If you help us get this into production, we'll sell it to you for much less than its retail price. Everyone wins." But with the universal app, it's the opposite: "If you help us get this into production, you'll pay significantly more than everyone else, who will get it for free. But we'll give you a gift of some sort. Sucker."

Perhaps Faithlife intends to give us a huge credit toward books. That would be very nice. Or maybe we'll get a pack of Logos stickers in the mail. Not so great. Point is, Faithlife was intentionally vague about this, and it's not helpful.

Well. I'm in at $37 because I absolutely believe in this product. But how many casual users are going to jump in on this weird community pricing offer? For someone who might like this product, but doesn't desperately need it, all the incentives point to waiting it out. Why pay for something that will be given away eventually?

So all community pricing will do is gauge how many die-hard, must-have-it-at-any-cost true believers there are, and then put the burden of funding the development of the free app on those folks. I think just by reading these forums you could make a pretty good list of the people who will bid on this. And it's a much smaller list than the people who will happily use it once it's available.

I really wish Faithlife would simply commit to supporting Windows tablets and phones as first-class citizens, with millions upon millions of potential users who are/will be looking for Bible software on their devices. The community pricing move is starting to feel like one more shrug of the shoulders from Faithlife.

But I'm still in at $37. And I'll be in at $74 if they change the bidding scale. Because even if Faithlife doesn't believe this is important, I do.

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