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Ed Blough | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Apr 7 2015 11:22 AM

I have said it before and I must say it at least once more. Most of the Logos products are the best kept secret on the internet. Does anyone really believe people will sign up for something just to find out what it is?

I have been trying to find examples of practical uses for FaithLife since it came out and have yet to see any write up on what it is.

Vysro or whatever what is it how does it connect to Logos or Faithlife? If the answer is out there it is a mystery to me.

Proclaim what is it. I'm not signing up to find out.

I know many people have non used or junk email addresses they use to sign up on things but what is the point. If the product is any good why not "proclaim" it's virtue on the internet and let people see what is offered so they don't have to give some junk email address to find out.

I get emails from LOGOS almost daily that mention something I have no idea in the world what it is.  I'm so busy trying to sort through what I do know about I don't have time to research a product the manufacture is keeping secret. 

We are installing new sound, media, presentation hardware and software. I get these emails that promise they are the answer but they never show me, never tell me how.  why not?????  Why not come out let everyone see your product and be able to make a decision of it's worth without having to sign up?

Frankly I'm quickly reaching the point of saying "who cares." I  am going with the manufacture that isn't interested in keeping everything secret.

Sorry but that is how it seems to me that Logos does business.

 

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James Hiddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 11:36 AM

If Logos is supposed to be a secret then someone didn't keep their mouth shut Stick out tongue

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 12:33 PM

You can decide what emails you do or don't get. What emails have you gotten that you don't know what it is about?

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BillS | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 12:42 PM

Ed Blough:
Vysro or whatever what is it how does it connect to Logos or Faithlife?

Not sure you're looking for answers, but if you are, Vyrso books are more like Kindle books ("lower-end," fewer links to regular Logos resources, more for reading than searching/study) but are fully integrated into the Logos system. Although I tend to shop only for SOME of the free books on Vyrso, I find that they act JUST like a Logos book.

Ed Blough:
Proclaim what is it. I'm not signing up to find out.

If you're shopping for worship projection software that allows everyone involved in production of Sunday's projection "slides" to contribute from wherever they are, Proclaim is an answer that allows each one to do so as if they were doing so thru a web page. And though I've elected not to keep it past the free trial, it isn't supposed to need internet in the sanctuary (though it'll use it if available), if you've already loaded your projection laptop with the most current updates prior to worship. Anything you want from your Logos library is easily put onto Proclaim's slides--Scripture, pictures, etc.

Ed Blough:
I have been trying to find examples of practical uses for FaithLife

I think of it as "Faithbook"--a Christian alternative to Facebook & many Logos users use it for discussion groups, etc. However, it isn't my cup of sunshine, so I tend not to be very visible.

Sorry if you just wanted to vent, but I thought I'd at least start the ball rolling if you really wanted answers.

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GregW | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 12:53 PM

Ed Blough:
Proclaim what is it. I'm not signing up to find out.

I don't use Proclaim, but there's a whole website devoted to telling you about it at www.proclaimonline.com and I think you can get a month free to play with it to see if it's the sort of software you want for managing service audiovisuals. There are actually links to all the products you mentioned in your original post on the logos.com home page, and most of these products regularly get referred to on the Logos home page as well, so I don't think you can really say they are a well-kept secret: there are others who regularly complain on here about all the attempts Faithlife's marketing people do to inform us about these products. 


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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 1:16 PM

 Initially I read something wrong and thought this thread has something to do with preaching gospel to the Internet spies Smile

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 1:29 PM

Ed Blough:
Most of the Logos products are the best kept secret on the internet. Does anyone really believe people will sign up for something just to find out what it is?

Hm. If you are interested in what products a company sells, you could go to something like https://faithlife.com/about which will give you the elevator-pitch and a "learn more" link for all of what you mention and more. 

Much of the write-up for new things will be found on the forum (typically in the locked or first posts of a sub-forum dedicated to that product, just as we see it now in "Logos Now", plus in several threads where Logos employees as well as MVPs try to explain it to people with questions) and in the Logos blog - to ensure the latter get their readership, Logos will promote them on Faithbook and Twitter. And on their Youtube channel. Many more people feel that Logos overloads with all this rather than that they can't get an idea about what this stuff is.

Ed Blough:
I have been trying to find examples of practical uses for FaithLife since it came out and have yet to see any write up on what it is.
 That's easy. Faithlife (the website) is all about groups, sharing discussions, Reading Plans and other Logos documents. The practical use is that not everybody needs to make a Greek Word List or a complex Syntax Search etc. on their own, but can share their results with others and get access to the results of others. 

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 1:59 PM

Ed Blough:
I get emails from LOGOS almost daily that mention something I have no idea in the world what it is.  I'm so busy trying to sort through what I do know about I don't have time to research a product the manufacture is keeping secret. 

As others have said, you can control what emails you receive and I'm not sure what is being viewed as a secret. To me Faithlife has always been totally up front about things. I can appreciate that you don't have much time to look into what they have been doing but it doesn't mean that they are keeping anything secret.

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Ed Blough | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 2:10 PM

Thanks for the link to proclaim, honestly never saw it before. I also watched the video "faith life"-about. Nice video but no real info. I have a faith life sign on for about two months or longer and it is as blank today as it was when I opened it. Like someone said it is like facebook but ...

As far as the rest of the products if everyone knows what they are fantastic then my complaint is not valid. But with the exception of the link someone gave for proclaim I have no idea what the products are or what they do, or how they would benefit me. 

I see a lot of "dancing bear" type stuff but very little actual data Or info that would help me make an informed decisions about the product. 

Kind of reminds me of a store I once went into. The owner was complaining about business. I asked for a product and he said he was sold out. So I asked for an alternative and he said he didn't stock that because it doesn't sell. I then asked for something else and he said he was out of stock. I asked about another product and he said he can't sell them  so he didn't stock them.   I'm sure my mouth had to be open as I left the store. Craziest thing I ever heard. You have to have it to be able sell it.  Likewise you have to convince people they need your product. If they don't know about or find it so hard to get information about the product they will move on.  Just my humble opinion.

I went to the logos.com site and clicked programs and got all kinds of info on Logos itself.  At the very bottom of the page is some links.  Really? 

If no one else see my problem then let us just say I was venting and move on. :-)

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Apr 7 2015 2:27 PM

Ed ... you're venting.   Plus we can't confirm your points, since it's a secret.

Logos is well regarded as the largest Bible software company that can't communicate.  And well earned too. Just yesterday a forum member created a datasheet for the forum to try and explain the CEO and chief marketers communication.   I suspect the CEO read it for additional talking points.

The idea of hiding the Logos.com refs at the bottom is typical ... they like coolity, and at the top, it smudges things up.  A gentleman who couldn't say a bad word (and has since met his reward) pleaded as to what the apps did.  No one really knew.  Sigh. 

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Kendall Sholtess | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2015 5:40 AM

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Rayner | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2015 6:38 AM

Denise:
The idea of hiding the Logos.com refs at the bottom is typical ... they like coolity, and at the top, it smudges things up.  A gentleman who couldn't say a bad word (and has since met his reward) pleaded as to what the apps did.  No one really knew.  Sigh. 

Denise, could you translate?  What are the logos.com "refs"?  What is coolity?  What is being smudged up?  Which apps are referred to?  Sometimes the forum discussions are much more impenetrable than the product!!

I don't know how I first heard of Logos, but I think it was via the free phone app.  After that, I somehow stumbled across the fact that it was a product in its own right, and researched and purchased Anglican Bronze.  The pages explaining the contents of the base packages, and comparing them with other base packages were very clear.  The Logos software documentation leaves something to be desired, but they've agreed to work on that (and the Morris Proctor books seem quite useful so far).

It took a while (probably due to entering the product via the Logos page), but I now understand the difference between Logos, Verbum, Noet and Proclaim.  This page perhaps could be more prominent:  https://faithlife.com/about 

I don't really understand what it is that's meant to be being kept secret.  Some forum members complain about the sheer numbers of emails Faithlife send out (this is especially the case if you're signed up to multiple lists), and so I'm not sure why they're meant to be keeping things secret.

For more info about Logos, see this page: https://www.logos.com/features

For Noet: https://noet.com/features

For Verbum: https://verbum.com/features

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2015 4:50 PM

Rayner ... you need some imagination.  

Refs = site addresses, though in this case similar to a phone book.  Coolity is the number one rule for Logos UI development.  For example, if they allowed users to set the colors for Logos book types, ease on eyes etc, that would iredeemably decoolify the interface, embarrassing even the city of Bellingham.  Addresses at the top of Logos.com smudges up the cool clean look being sought (albeit reducing the eco-system effectiveness).

 How, pray tell, can Logos continue to win industry awards for cool, unless users agree that everything is great? Easy to use.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2015 4:58 PM

Denise:

unless users agree that everything is great? Easy to use.

Denise, in person I expect I would enjoy your company and caustic humor immensely but in forum I sometimes get lost -- where, pray tell, would I find users who agree that everything is great AND easy to use? Now, admittedly, I'm not fond of traveling which may limit where you can send me to find these mythical users but ...

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2015 6:05 PM

Well, to be honest, I thought back over 'my' years with the Logos UI (desktop, internet, app) trying to remember an instance where a user(s) UI suggestion was indeed accepted. The most recent was Rosie's question on the Logos.com page, which was met with a yawn.

But returning to my bad humor, I was thrilled today to see on the Vyrso app, how I can now separate my 'cowboy books' ... you know ... Jenna's Cowboy ... those, from my hebrew inscription books.

For the curious: https://vyrso.com/products/search?q=cowboy 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2015 6:47 PM

Denise:

Well, to be honest, I thought back over 'my' years with the Logos UI (desktop, internet, app) trying to remember an instance where a user(s) UI suggestion was indeed accepted.

He's running circles of joy around the fallacy ... the assumption that you are in a position to know the user's UI suggestions ... I assure you that in beta testing, conversations with developers and uservoice I have not only seen user input implemented, I have personally experienced the joy of having a suggestion accepted.

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DMB | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Apr 15 2015 7:24 PM

Your pooch could view the observation in two ways ... i.e. then whense the user complaints?  I'll stick with users as I implied.

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