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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, May 18 2015 10:16 PM

Powerful, affordable, subscription-based digital Bible study tools and content are coming soon!

Read below for a high-level overview of what that means, or visit LogosCloud.com to try it for free.

What is it?

Logos Cloud is essentially just subscription-based access to Logos Bible Software tools and content.

Logos Cloud libraries aren't identical to Logos 6 base packages. They're very different, with a heavy focus on our own content. We've also partnered initially with Baker, Wipf & Stock, Eisenbrauns, and The Gospel Coalition (a few other publishers are considering joining as well). We envision many more publishers joining in the coming months. In addition to this content, we've added various amounts of public domain content to make sure we have all the key categories covered appropriately in each library.

Logos Cloud libraries are dynamic, not static. They'll get bigger and better over time, with new additions on a regular basis. Occasionally books might need to come out (almost always at the request of a publisher), but mainly we'll be adding more books in.

In terms of apps—desktop vs. mobile vs. web—there's not really a difference between Logos 6 base packages and Logos Cloud, with the exception that the web app requires a Now or Cloud subscription. (Eventually, we think Logos Cloud subscribers will primarily access the tools and content through our new web app. Initially, though, they'll likely use the desktop software primarily, since the web app is just an early beta at this point.)

Logos Cloud will also include the membership benefits of Logos Now, though not all benefits will be included in all levels.

How many options are there?

We're launching with four levels of Logos Cloud: $8.99/mo., $19.99/mo., $49.99/mo., and $99.99/mo. We'll present the first three and make the fourth available to existing subscribers and through a special product page.

Verbum will likely follow a similar approach with Verbum Cloud (though they'll probably trail behind Logos Cloud a bit). We'll also have Cloud options for Spanish, German, French, Portuguese, Chinese, etc., but not initially. We're not sure on the timeframes yet. We don't have immediate plans for Anglican, Baptist, Lutheran, Orthodox, Pentecostal & Charismatic, Reformed, SDA, etc., but that could change.

Like with Logos 6 base packages, we'll tier both library and functionality.

  1. The $8.99/mo. option will give you the equivalent functionality and library size of Bronze.
  2. The $19.99/mo. option will give you the equivalent functionality of Silver and a Gold-sized library.
  3. The $49.99/mo. option will give you all functionality and a Diamond-sized library.
  4. The $99.99/mo. option will give you all functionality and a library the size of Collector's Edition.

Who is it for?

For now, Logos Cloud is at a new audience—people who have many of the following characteristics:

  1. don't currently own a Logos base package or a have a large Logos library
  2. aren't subscribing to Logos Now
  3. aren't committed to ownership as a model for building their Bible study library but instead prefer to pay for access to a service
  4. want lower upfront risk and less longterm commitment
  5. can't use our desktop software or have a preference for web apps over desktop apps (though this will be less true initially)
  6. have a hard justifying the investment in a Logos base package, but want to upgrade from various free Bible study tools—or are ready to go beyond print into the world of digital Bible study

It's not initially aimed at existing Logos customers, most of whom probably prefer to own their libraries. For example, Logos Cloud libraries don't currently support dynamic pricing. This may change eventually, but we don't have a timeframe for it yet.

We'll initially be focusing the majority of our marketing on non-Logos customers. Our primary aim is to reach a brand new market with Cloud that we've not been able to reach with our purchase/ownership model.

When will it be available?

Phase 1 (May 19–May 31)

We'll launch LogosCloud.com and let people sign up to be the first to participate in Logos Cloud. Everyone who joins during this time will get access to the $49.99/mo. library for the month of June. We'll encourage everyone to invite their friends to sign up to join the preview period.

Phase 2 (June 1–June 30)

Everyone who signed up to participate will be able to start using the $49.99/mo. level and will be able to continue to send invites to their friends. We'll be extending invites and letting more people in throughout the month.

Phase 3 (July 1– )

Logos Cloud will be live and available to the general public. Everyone will be able to start their first month free, even if they participated in the early access in June. After that free month, you'll be billed at the monthly or annual rate of your choice.

What does Logos Cloud mean for existing base package owners?

As we've indicated elsewhere, we have no plans to discontinue the current model of purchase and ownership in favor of subscription access. We're viewing Logos Cloud as a new offering to a new audience that will live in harmony alongside the model we've supported for nearly 23 1/2 years.

While Logos Cloud isn't directly for existing base package owners (we recommend that existing base package owners choose a Logos Now subscription), the existence of Logos Cloud benefits everyone. We plan to allocate a certain percent of Cloud revenue to fund new content. This means we'll be able to build new features and data projects, create Lexham publications, produce Pre-Pub and Community Pricing titles, and scan more book facsimiles faster than we can today.

You Logos base package owners can help make this a reality by inviting your friends who fit the profile above to try Logos Cloud for free during the preview period.

What's the difference between Logos Now and Logos Cloud?

Logos Now is a supplemental product/service for Logos 6 base package owners. It supplements your library and provides you with access to the new features, datasets, media, and interactives that drive the core functionality of the software.

Logos Cloud is a base package replacement for a new audience that prefers subscription to ownership.

Here’s a table that compares them:

Now

Cloud

How many product levels?

1

4

What's the entry price?

$8.99/mo.

$8.99/mo.

What's the top-end price?

$8.99/mo.

$99.99/mo.

What is the primary buyer type?

people who prefer to own their books

people who prefer to rent (primarily or exclusively)

Who is the audience?

current and future base package owners

new customers who prefer renting and web apps

What is the product?

all the new features, datasets, media, and interactives since Logos 6, plus membership benefits

tiered functionality + tiered library + membership benefits

What is it analogous to?

the next version of Feature Crossgrade

base packages

Where can I learn about it?

https://www.logos.com/now

https://logoscloud.com/

What's the main benefit?

early access to new content and tools

a comprehensive, accessible, and affordable Bible study toolset and library

What's the relationship to base packages?

it supplements a base package

it replaces a base package

Which will be the primary app used?

desktop app

web app (eventually)

Can I subscribe to Logos Now and Logos Cloud?

While it is technically possible, we don't recommend it. They're not designed to be compatible. Someone may choose the $8.99/mo. Cloud level and the $8.99/mo. Now subscription to get access to all of the new features. Our recommendation for most people is to choose a Logos 6 base package plus Now subscription or a Logos Cloud subscription.

How will my Logos Cloud library relate to books I own/purchase?

You have one account with one pool of licensed content. The items you purchase will be permanently owned; the items you subscribe to will be accessible as long as you continue to subscribe (though, like most content libraries, some items might be removed at the publisher's request). So whether you already have a library of owned resource or you're new to Cloud and want to add additional resources to your library that aren't part of your Cloud library, you'll be able to access the sum total of those resources through our various apps (keeping in mind that the web app at app.logos.com requires a subscription to use). So we invite you to use a combination of subscription and ownership to build the perfect library for you.

Do I need an internet connection to use Logos Cloud?

Logos Cloud, which is essentially just subscription access to Logos Bible Software, doesn't require any more internet access than purchasing and owning a Logos 6 base package. Some features require internet access to use (e.g., Media Browser, Visual Copy, Atlas), but most work just fine offline.

The new Logos web app, which Logos Now and Logos Cloud subscribers get access to, does require internet access to use. There's no offline mode for the web app.

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Learn more at LogosCloud.com and in the Logos Cloud Faithlife group.

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We'll follow up with additional FAQs shortly to address some of the major questions that arise.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 8:44 AM

Even though I would personally prefer to own resources, this looks like  a great option for some people. This should create a new Logos audience which will expand the Logos community and benefit us all. Well done!

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 10:57 AM

Bruce Dunning:

Even though I would personally prefer to own resources, this looks like  a great option for some people. This should create a new Logos audience which will expand the Logos community and benefit us all. Well done!

Agreed, I believe this was also a heavy request when Logos Now was first announced. Good move Faithlife! Yes

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Jonathan Pitts | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 1:34 PM

Very clearly written, Phil.

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Gene Townsend | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 3:32 PM

Sold on the new Logos Cloud. How do I sign up?

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Phil Gons (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 3:45 PM

Gene Townsend:

Sold on the new Logos Cloud. How do I sign up?

Visit LogosCloud.com, click the Sign Up button, and follow the instructions. You'll be notified on June 1 when the free early access period opens up.

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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 6:05 PM

Thank you for the detailed and clear explanation. Much appreciated. Smile

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 7:58 PM

Will there by dynamic pricing for those who have (since diamond was tossed out there) invested heavily in base packages?

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SteveHD | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, May 19 2015 8:19 PM

I don't think they are marketing this to existing owners.

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abondservant:

Will there by dynamic pricing for those who have (since diamond was tossed out there) invested heavily in base packages?

From the original post:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

It's not initially aimed at existing Logos customers, most of whom probably prefer to own their libraries. For example, Logos Cloud libraries don't currently support dynamic pricing. This may change eventually, but we don't have a timeframe for it yet.

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abondservant | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 20 2015 7:56 AM

Thanks Andrew. I (clearly) missed the part about no dynamic pricing.

Thanks!

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apeiron | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 20 2015 11:27 AM

Will there be some "wiggle room" (ability to tailor content) with the Cloud Options? Suggestion: Offer the ability, at the higher subscription levels, to customize content. One would have the corresponding Logos framework of functionality and features -- but the ability to select from a pool of recourses. This could be done by giving the subscriber N credits to "spend" on items in the recourse pool.

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apeiron:
Will there be some "wiggle room" (ability to tailor content) with the Cloud Options?

There won't be any customisation in the initial launch of Logos Cloud.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 11:15 AM

I understand that this is for new users primarily. My hope: you will offer dynamic pricing for those who already OWN a lot of the Cloud content and want to rent the rest.

For example, I own the Platinum Base Collection. Maybe I'd like to rent at the $50 or $100/month level, but it would be awesome if I could get in at a $20 or $50/month rate since I've already paid for about half of the content in those Cloud levels.

The prices may vary. I'm using the above as figures I know would entice me to jump from Logos Now to Logos Cloud since I'm not getting as much new as the typical Cloud target customer since I already own a lot of it.

Just a suggestion.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 11:43 AM

The Logos Cloud page says that the $20/month version is like getting Essentials library and features. What's that? Isn't that what used to be one of the base packages but they replaced it? Then we learn that the $50/month version is like getting Essentials and Plus. What's in Plus? Did the writer of this page mistakenly use old base package names?

Forget it. I saw that the names of the two lower levels of access are called PLUS and ESSENTIALS.

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Gene Townsend | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 12:47 PM

About 10 years ago, I bought the silver Logos package. One thing I did not like about purchasing the items is that new products were always coming along. Also, every time I had to buy a new computer, I had to reinstall my Logos materials. Doing that required having to call Logos, find product keys and so on. Finally, I just quit reinstalling Logos when I purchased a new computer. The past three years or so, I have purchased several 'cloud' products. I use    G-mail, which is a cloud product. 

Now that Logos is offering a cloud product, I plan to buy it. My materials will forever be placed on the cloud. When I buy a new computer, I won't have to reinstall my materials. If my computer dies, and I have to borrow one, or even go to the library to use one of theirs, I will be able to access my Logos products since it is on the cloud, of course after providing appropriate pass words and so on.

The cloud offering is what brought me back into the Logos fold. I am not a new customer, but the cloud product now meets my needs. I do feel empathy with those who have purchased Logos with it residing on their hard drive. If they would now prefer the cloud product, how can they get there from here without losing all the money they already paid. Could Logos give these people a window where they would be given a sizeable credit (a year free???) if they switched to the cloud. Would these people have to disable the product on their hard drive?

I don't pretend to know the answers to these questions. Maybe this forum can provide some good suggestions to the Logos management. I do know that I am very happy that Logos is now being offered on the cloud. My silver product, residing on DVD's, but not loaded on my computer, is now about 8 years old. I do not expect any remuneration from Logos before I switch to the cloud product. 

For newcomers to Logos, I believe the cloud will be a good product for them. For some old timers such as myself, the cloud is a good product. For those having spent a fair amount of money to load it on their computers, and now would like the cloud product, Logos management will just have to sort that issue out.

 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 1:06 PM

Gene Townsend:

The cloud offering is what brought me back into the Logos fold. I am not a new customer, but the cloud product now meets my needs. I do feel empathy with those who have purchased Logos with it residing on their hard drive. If they would now prefer the cloud product, how can they get there from here without losing all the money they already paid. Could Logos give these people a window where they would be given a sizeable credit (a year free???) if they switched to the cloud. Would these people have to disable the product on their hard drive?

If you go with the Logos Now version of the Cloud you will have access to everything you have purchased in the past. Talk with someone at Logos to make sure that you get the best of both worlds.

Logos Now and Logos Cloud run the same web application. Logos Now is for those who already own resources. Logos Cloud is for those who do not.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 1:09 PM

Gene Townsend:
Now that Logos is offering a cloud product, I plan to buy it. My materials will forever be placed on the cloud

Gene, actually Logos 6 (and earlier versions back to Logos 4) work this way already. No DVDs. No product ID codes.

If you were to download and install the free Logos 6 engine then log in with your Logos ID (the email address associated with your original purchase), Logos 6 will automatically download your resources. See https://www.logos.com/install for the free engine.

You can also use Biblia.com to access your Silver resources from other computers.

So what you anticipate with Logos Cloud is already available. Logos Cloud just lets you get a bundle of resources by rental.

I'd encourage you to download and install Logos 6 and give the new easy way of installing your resources on your computer a try.

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David Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 6:49 PM

Suppose someone gets a Logos Cloud subscription, but wants a variety of resources that aren't part of their package. Can they add these to what they have in some fashion (i.e. additional rental or purchase)?

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Chris duMond (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 21 2015 8:51 PM

Yes. You would simply purchase a resource from the Logos.com store just like you do today. They would then OWN that resource, regardless of whether they kept subscribing to Logos Cloud or not. Logos Cloud will be able to read that resource in addition to the Logos Cloud library. 

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