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Mike W | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 8:45 PM

elnwood:

On the list of resources coming to Logos, I only see the study Bible commentaries listed. Will the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries be coming too? The Greek Grammar? The Gospel Parallels? The Interlinear?

The greek and hebrew dictionaries and the gospel harmony are listed under “T” for “The” on the list. I didn’t see the alternate versions listed. 

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Mike W | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 18 2020 8:45 PM

elnwood:

On the list of resources coming to Logos, I only see the study Bible commentaries listed. Will the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries be coming too? The Greek Grammar? The Gospel Parallels? The Interlinear?

The greek and hebrew dictionaries and the gospel harmony are listed under “T” for “The” on the list. I didn’t see the alternate versions listed. 

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Mike W:

elnwood:

On the list of resources coming to Logos, I only see the study Bible commentaries listed. Will the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries be coming too? The Greek Grammar? The Gospel Parallels? The Interlinear?

The greek and hebrew dictionaries and the gospel harmony are listed under “T” for “The” on the list. I didn’t see the alternate versions listed. 

Type "Complete Biblical" into the search box at the top of https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-library-migration to see all the titles.

Use the Ctrl+F Find feature in your browser at https://www.logos.com/wordsearch/catalog to see the titles.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 12:23 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Mike W:

elnwood:

On the list of resources coming to Logos, I only see the study Bible commentaries listed. Will the Greek and Hebrew dictionaries be coming too? The Greek Grammar? The Gospel Parallels? The Interlinear?

The greek and hebrew dictionaries and the gospel harmony are listed under “T” for “The” on the list. I didn’t see the alternate versions listed. 

Type "Complete Biblical" into the search box at the top of https://www.logos.com/wordsearch-library-migration to see all the titles.

What will be the price of the complete Biblical library? I tried the search button but nothing showed up.  I'm interested in finding out the price.

Thanks!

DAL

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DAL:

What will be the price of the complete Biblical library? I tried the search button but nothing showed up.  I'm interested in finding out the price.

We haven't announced prices for any WS titles, so you wouldn't find them on that page.

The first announcement of pricing is likely to be when a product page for the title shows up at logos.com. 

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 1:43 PM

Ok 👌 no problem! Thanks for replying, Bradley 👍😁👌

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 25 2020 6:22 PM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

DAL:

What will be the price of the complete Biblical library? I tried the search button but nothing showed up.  I'm interested in finding out the price.

We haven't announced prices for any WS titles, so you wouldn't find them on that page.

The first announcement of pricing is likely to be when a product page for the title shows up at logos.com. 

No pressure and I want to reemphasize that Logos' doing great and fast on this migration business. But just to let you know that a Logos competitor is offering a WORDsearch crossgrade at cost, which includes Complete Biblical Library. I must say I'm very tempted. It will be great to know the price of this from Logos soon to help us make this decision.

May I suggest putting them on something like the prepub so that at least we know the price of this package and can preorder it even if it is not ready to release now?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 10:42 AM

Kolen Cheung:

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

DAL:

What will be the price of the complete Biblical library? I tried the search button but nothing showed up.  I'm interested in finding out the price.

We haven't announced prices for any WS titles, so you wouldn't find them on that page.

The first announcement of pricing is likely to be when a product page for the title shows up at logos.com. 

No pressure and I want to reemphasize that Logos' doing great and fast on this migration business. But just to let you know that a Logos competitor is offering a WORDsearch crossgrade at cost, which includes Complete Biblical Library. I must say I'm very tempted. It will be great to know the price of this from Logos soon to help us make this decision.

May I suggest putting them on something like the prepub so that at least we know the price of this package and can preorder it even if it is not ready to release now?



The Complete Biblical Library is missing some stuff from the competition.  I own it along with the Hebrew and Greek dictionaries.  The grammar and CBL interlinear won’t be produced in the competition.  The Gospel Harmony/Parallels didn’t get separated, but it’s included at the end of the NT resource.

Maybe Logos can give us a full CBL even if we already have gospel harmonies, grammars and interlinears.  A few more won’t hurt us 👍😁👌

DAL

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 3:27 PM

DAL:

The Complete Biblical Library is missing some stuff from the competition.  I own it along with the Hebrew and Greek dictionaries.  The grammar and CBL interlinear won’t be produced in the competition.  The Gospel Harmony/Parallels didn’t get separated, but it’s included at the end of the NT resource.

Maybe Logos can give us a full CBL even if we already have gospel harmonies, grammars and interlinears.  A few more won’t hurt us 👍😁👌

DAL

I saw you complained to them about this in their forum! I'm curious about that too.

Do you have the "complete" version say from WORDsearch or hardcopy? Their claim is that the interlinear and the parallel is already a functionality provided by their software so they don't digitalize them. Did you try comparing them?

I had a hardcopy CBL NT but no longer have it now. (I tried to replace it by equivalent but better resources in Logos.) But I know another brother who still has a NT copy so may be I can take images of a few pages of both feature for comparison. For interlinear I think the CBL uses the TR as main greek text? I forgot what's in the interlinear but probably an original word, then a "reference no." to their dict, then morphology, and may be an English word? While missing it is not really "complete", but it seems to me that there's nothing missed when using other tools? For Gospel parallel may be different people has different interpretation so may be more differences there?

By the way, over the years since I started this thread, I've replaced CBL by equivalences in Logos. I've found that the NIDNTTE & NIDOTTE (and the older version before that) is functionally similar to CBL's dictionary (which is the main reason I love CBL) but better. Later I've read a comment on CBL in "the New Testament Commentary Survey, 6th ed" which makes me further avoid the commentary section. You can read some insights higher up in this thread too on CBL's downfall. It is something very ambitious and would be a very useful complete, standalone version as a hardcopy. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the digital caught on and with softwares multiple resources from different publishers can be put together in a way that is as complete as CBL is if not more. And since you can cherry pick your resources, the collective completeness is often better than CBL itself.

But I still missed the CBL dictionary very much and has never owned the OT version. So I'm really tempted to buy that from the competition because it seems to be it is very unlikely Logos can make any offer better than that.

By the way, obviously you used both Logos and the competition. What's your take on that? Do you like having 2 different Bible softwares to study at the same time? Are there any lacking in the competition that you wish the resource is in Logos to give you a better time?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 3:40 PM

Well, Koleng, I got a sweet deal on a sale and that’s why I got it.  I’d prefer to have it in Logos since I own all or the majority of the lexicons cited in the CBL dictionaries.  It’s a classic resource that’s why I like it.

Aside from that, I’ve done what you’ve done.  Replace CBL with better resources and even created a layout to mirror CBL functionality from WS, but better.


DAL

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 26 2020 4:40 PM

I remember when CBL first launched in WS a lot of people from my Church ordered it (and we have a special group discount too.) I recall the launched price is $500 and was considered a very good deal. Back then I spent $300+ on NT and the “collector’s item”-level OT price at more than a grand is not affordable.

fast forward the competitor sold it at $200 at launch this year. Great deal

now the competitor has a deal for WS users to have a collection that CBL is only a tiny portion included, for $200. That collection has many resources I already have in Logos (which is good so that I need less jumping back) and a lot that I don’t own already. Had the previous deals good deals this is a steal.

The only thing I hesitated is if it is good long term to have 2 different libraries across 2 very different softwares. I tend to think it is good to diversify. That’s why I asked about the experience.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 27 2020 4:38 PM

Or if there's anyone that has similar experience and want to share? Specifically the CBL experience from the competitor; the impact of the missing titles and its differences; the hassle/benefits of using Logos with that together. Thanks.

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2020 5:14 AM

From what I can gather so far, the CBL imported via WordSearch is missing in the commentary section the various bible comparison entries before the commentary begins. The Competitor has this. It's a shame this was omitted from the WordSearch edition and an inclusion of the bible comparison entries in the commentary section would be useful and would mean that we are getting the complete CBL.Smile

Secondly, I prefer the lay out of the competitors edition. The WordSearch edtion have matters of introduction after the commentary while the competitor have it before the commentary following standard traditional convention.  

I noticed this by watching the CBL on YouTube from the competitor and comparing it with my WordSearch edition.

I hope Faithlife rectifies the above.

Edited to take into account Mike's comment below on the various bible comparison section in a separate folder in WordSearch. 

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2020 5:18 AM

Thanks for your insight! The situation is more complicated than I thought.

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Ted Hans:
I hope Faithlife rectifies the above.

Please see https://community.logos.com/forums/p/193938/1117970.aspx#1117970 to learn about our plans for Wordsearch resources.

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Mike W | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2020 7:53 AM

Ted Hans:
From what I can gather so far, the CBL imported via WordSearch is missing in the commentary section the various bible comparison entries before the commentary begins. The Competitor has this. It's a shame this was omitted from the WordSearch edition and an inclusion of the bible comparison entries in the commentary section would be useful and would mean that we are getting the complete CBL.Smile

In Wordsearch the various versions are in separate books from the commentary.  In the program you mentioned they are in the commentaries at the top of each section.  The various version books are in Logos as Ebooks at this time. As far as I can see the complete CBL is in Logos in the same format that it was in WORDsearch (including the volumes that weren’t included in the product recently released by another software company).

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2020 8:10 AM

Kolen Cheung:

Thanks for your insight! The situation is more complicated than I thought.

From what I’m seeing right now I think Logos will provide a final product that truly mirrors the original CBL. That’s motivation enough to try to duplicate the resource.  I have it in Accordance and it’s coming in handy for short devotional readings 👍😁👌

DAL

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2020 10:06 AM

Mike W:
In Wordsearch the various versions are in separate books from the commentary.  In the program you mentioned they are in the commentaries at the top of each section.  The various version books are in Logos as Ebooks at this time. As far as I can see the complete CBL is in Logos in the same format that it was in WORDsearch (including the volumes that weren’t included in the product recently released by another software company).

Hi Mike,

Thanks, I have found the various bible version comparison in WordSearch under Complete Biblical library versions. You are right it is available in WordSearch.

I prefer the competitor layout as it is included in the commentary section and more useful

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Ted Hans | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 28 2020 10:09 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Ted Hans:
I hope Faithlife rectifies the above.

Please see https://community.logos.com/forums/p/193938/1117970.aspx#1117970 to learn about our plans for Wordsearch resources.

Thank you for the info Bradley.

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Greg Hubbard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 29 2020 10:18 AM

Please tell me how to bring up the CBL Bible and link it to CBL dictionaries

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