Initial feedback on Confessional Documents section

Fr Devin Roza

Thanks for the new Confessional Documents section. I think this is a great idea.

Here is some initial feedback:

In order for it to appear in the Passage Guide, I had to add it manually. I think it should be on by default.
I am a little confused as to why you chose to change the categories a bit from the PG Systematic Theologies section. I was pretty happy, for example, with the Patristic / Medieval / Modern Catholic division. Why not use this division as well for this Guide? I would find that much more helpful than the "Ecumenical"?? division, especially as that could apply for modern documents as well as ancient.
I would like to be able to filter the Guide by confession. So, normally for me, for example, I would want to be able to filter by Patristic + Medieval + Modern Catholic. I would like the filter to be saved/savable so I don't have to apply it every time.

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Rick Brannan (Logos)

In order for it to appear in the Passage Guide, I had to add it manually. I think it should be on by default.

Agreed, and this is on my list of items to report.

I am a little confused as to why you chose to change the categories a bit from the PG Systematic Theologies section. I was pretty happy, for example, with the Patristic / Medieval / Modern Catholic division. Why not use this division as well for this Guide? I would find that much more helpful than the "Ecumenical"?? division, especially as that could apply for modern documents as well as ancient.

One basic issue is that with creeds in particular, several volumes are compilations of creeds and other documents. And they include material from all different time periods, not just a particular era. The use of "Ecumenical" seems more appropriate because, as you note, it allows for more modern documents as well as ancient in the same resource.

I would like to be able to filter the Guide by confession. So, normally for me, for example, I would want to be able to filter by Patristic + Medieval + Modern Catholic. I would like the filter to be saved/savable so I don't have to apply it every time.

Me too. Allowing filtering of sections and storing guide section properties are good suggestions; and they would also apply to the Systematic Theology section and the Grammars section (all of these use the same underlying code). Assuming Eli doesn't beat me, I'll file this as an issue as well.

Fr Devin Roza

I am a little confused as to why you chose to change the categories a bit from the PG Systematic Theologies section. I was pretty happy, for example, with the Patristic / Medieval / Modern Catholic division. Why not use this division as well for this Guide? I would find that much more helpful than the "Ecumenical"?? division, especially as that could apply for modern documents as well as ancient.

But aren't you classifying the specific Creed / document / section of the book, and not the entire book itself?

In which case, using "Patristic" and "Medieval" should still be possible, and maybe you could then reserve "Ecumenical" for more modern-day cross-denominational creeds or declarations.

Rick Brannan (Logos)

But aren't you classifying the specific Creed / document / section of the book, and not the entire book itself?

No, it's the resource itself that gets that level of classification.

Fr Devin Roza

But aren't you classifying the specific Creed / document / section of the book, and not the entire book itself?

No, it's the resource itself that gets that level of classification.

OK. I hope you can consider the classification of Confessional Documents on an individual section of the book level for a future version.

While for Systematic Theologies classifying on a book level is fine, I think that for Confessional Documents the type of technology used to tag the Cultural Concepts or Ancient Literature could offer some important advantages.

Rick Brannan (Logos)

I would like to be able to filter the Guide by confession. So, normally for me, for example, I would want to be able to filter by Patristic + Medieval + Modern Catholic. I would like the filter to be saved/savable so I don't have to apply it every time.

Now, something you may have already done is create a collection of these resources (the documentation will be available sometime during the beta, and it will list resources by classification) and then use the Settings drop-down in the guide section to select that collection.

I realize the collection isn't remembered (I think) as a guide preference, but collections are one way to filter the display down to a particular group of resources.

Jonathan Haas

In order for it to appear in the Passage Guide, I had to add it manually. I think it should be on by default.

Hi Father Roza,

This has been fixed internally and will go out in an upcoming beta.

MJ. Smith

But aren't you classifying the specific Creed / document / section of the book, and not the entire book itself?

No, it's the resource itself that gets that level of classification.

Ouch! that explains some anomalies I saw with the 3 volumes of Schaff. And what would you do with Pelikan's Creeds ... which should be in Logos?

Fr Devin Roza

In order for it to appear in the Passage Guide, I had to add it manually. I think it should be on by default.

Hi Father Roza,

This has been fixed internally and will go out in an upcoming beta.

Thanks Jonathan!

Dylan Rondeau

In order for it to appear in the Passage Guide, I had to add it manually. I think it should be on by default.

Hi Father Roza,

This has been fixed internally and will go out in an upcoming beta.

It is now added by default in 6.7 Beta 3.

Dylan Rondeau

It is now added by default in 6.7 Beta 3.

And now on stable in 6.7.

Fr Devin Roza

Thanks, and congrats to Rick and team as well for the documentation, which is well done and addresses the questions that came up in this thread well.