Last Time for 15% on Logos 6. Logos 7 Coming Soon?

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Jim Erwin | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Dec 20 2015 8:08 PM

The Logos advertisements promote the fact that this will be the last time that Logos 6 will be discounted 15%. Is this an indicator that Logos 7 is around the corner? When Logos moved from 5 to 6, there was a confusion about the change. The complaints I read was that there was not enough communication to the customers about the change. I wonder if Faithlife is hinting that they will make a change to Logos 7. What are your thoughts?

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 20 2015 8:23 PM

Jim Erwin:
Is this an indicator that Logos 7 is around the corner?

No. Not "around the corner." A reasonable guess would be late fall of 2016. 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 20 2015 8:25 PM

Seriously doubt that Logos 7 is around the corner. Logos 6 was released in November of last year, I anticipate that Logos 7 will be released around the same time.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 20 2015 11:31 PM

This has been discussed in another thread and a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales.  It's the old tell the customer this price will never be seen again to create interest. If we expect 15% in the future there is no incentive as a customer to take up the offer now if we are on the fence as to whether to purchase or not.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 3:52 AM

Like many others, I seriously doubt if Logos 7 is coming soon. For sure "Last Time" is a motivation tool to encourage people to purchase now.

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 4:33 AM

Disciple of Christ (doc):
a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales.

The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 5:13 AM

Jack Caviness:
The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.

Well that clarifies it for sure. Perhaps we will have less speculation about Logos 7 for at least a while.

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 5:35 AM

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 7:54 AM
Wild Eagle:
Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6. I think we should expect at Spring. Thats my guess...
That isn't cool. I have gotten to know the other MVP's pretty well and I don't believe a single one would try to mislead anyone. If we knew L7 were coming out in the spring, we would not be telling you "I don't know, maybe the fall."

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 8:03 AM

Jack Caviness:

Disciple of Christ (doc):
a Logos employee indicated no known plans to release 7. Logos however in the future plans to offer only 10% discount on future Logos 6 sales.

The future 10% limit has since been removed from that post, but it does still say that there are no known plans for Logos 7 anytime soon.

I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927

(Not that I think Logos 7 is imminent, just that I don't think I've seen Faithlife employees rule that out.)

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 8:09 AM

Wild Eagle:
Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6.

You're right that you shouldn't [always] believe MVPs. Most of us were wrong about the L6 release date (as were most other people, as it turns out). But not because we were trying to mislead, but because we were taken by surprise, too.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 8:37 AM

Well, I'll join in the gossip and say that I smell a beta too!   Stick out tongue

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Jim Erwin | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 10:10 AM

This is why I wrote this thread. I was shocked about the L6 release date. It took me by surprise. I was planning to upgrade my L5 and all of a sudden they tell me to upgrade to L6 and plans changed. Maybe we should be on the look out for L7 to be sooner rather than later. 

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 10:30 AM

Mark Barnes:
I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927

Unless I have had a sudden attack of senility, that post is now very different than the original Stick out tongue

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 10:35 AM

Mark Barnes:

Wild Eagle:
Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6.

You're right that you shouldn't [always] believe MVPs. Most of us were wrong about the L6 release date (as were most other people, as it turns out). But not because we were trying to mislead, but because we were taken by surprise, too.

alabama24:
Wild Eagle:
Dont believe MVPs. They could be the ones who already use L7 beta and try to hide its release day. Remember L6. I think we should expect at Spring. Thats my guess...
That isn't cool. I have gotten to know the other MVP's pretty well and I don't believe a single one would try to mislead anyone. If we knew L7 were coming out in the spring, we would not be telling you "I don't know, maybe the fall."

I am sorry to all MVPs if I offended you. I sincerely appreciate your  volunteer contribution to Logos Forums. I wish I could be more useful here. It wasnt my intention to label you as "missleading". I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:

Rosie Perera:

Good point. I never saw any Logos employee responding with a snide remark to him, so we could be more charitable. However they did delete his posts on more than one occasions, so I do believe they really did not want him posting those leaks. I don't think it was a marketing strategy. So I don't think there's anything wrong in pointing out that it was wrong of him to do what he did. But he's a human being too, and the marvelous grace of our loving Lord is greater than all our sin. So, I forgive you, Everett. You were of course right, as you knew you would be. And as I (being a beta tester) knew too. Kind of. I mean approximately, with more and more accuracy as the time got closer. But I wasn't allowed to say anything about it. I do think you were guessing at first (hence your wrong guess about October 1). But I do think you had some real inside information, screen shots of the real thing, etc. And I don't think you did any lasting harm to Logos by sharing it. In fact, you might have benefited them by increasing the anticipation. And perhaps that's why we're all having trouble getting on the website today. So much excitement that everyone wants Logos 6 NOW... [:-)]

BTW, much of my pretend anger towards Everett during the lead-up to today was my attempt at deflecting any suspicion that I knew anything or that he was onto something. If I went overboard in being brutal, I apologize.

and see this;

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alabama24:

I am personally on a Logos 7 alpha test program, but I am under strict and binding agreements not to tell anyone. 

And you've just broken your side of the agreement, so they've booted you out. Sorry. Stick out tongue

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 10:41 AM

Jim Erwin:
Maybe we should be on the look out for L7 to be sooner rather than later. 

If Logos 7 is released this Spring it will likely result in lacklustre sales. With the Christmas sales and the new payment plan requirements not a lot of people will be able to afford an early release. For that reason I don't believe we will see a Spring release.

I could envision an expansion of Logos Cloud in January.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 11:11 AM

Jack Caviness:

Mark Barnes:
I don't see the "no known plans… any time soon" quote: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/120719/789927.aspx#789927

Unless I have had a sudden attack of senility, that post is now very different than the original Stick out tongue

It's been lightly edited, but that's all. The original post can be seen here: https://community.logos.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?u=164930 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 11:16 AM

I hadn't seen that post from Rosie before. I can understand why you said what you did in the light of that. But there is a difference between trying to undermine someone who is deliberately causing trouble through provocative posts, and deliberately misleading the community generally. I suspect there's only been one case of the former, and I don't think there's been any case of the latter.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 11:33 AM

Wild Eagle:
I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:

For clarification: For the desktop application, FL normally has an "open" beta, and users are more than free to discuss it. In the quote from me you gave above, I joked about being in an L7 alpha program... At the time I joked about that, I had not even seen (or been notified about) L6 yet. It <appears> that FL might be moving to a 2 year cycle. 

L4 was "current" for three years (11/09 - 10/12). L5 was "current" for two years (11/12 - 10/14). It looks like FL is on a two year cycle. To ask the question, "is L7 right around the corner" would mean that they have moved to a year and a half (or less) cycle. It isn't likely. Forget the development of the software (which is always ongoing!). The difference between the designation of L6 and L7 is really about sale of base packages. It's how FL stays in business. If new base packages came out too soon, it would be counter productive. I believe "L7" will come out in fall of 2016, but that is just a guess. 

The creation of "Logos Now" further helps to diminish the difference between "L6" and "L7" since many of the features of "L7" are available "now" with Logos Now. As Bob has suggested, "Logos Now" helps to create a steady stream of revenue to lessen the dependance upon sales every 2-3 years... (which will always be an important part of their business strategy unless they start charging for the actual software). 

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Wild Eagle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 21 2015 11:49 AM

alabama24:

Wild Eagle:
I do know this as a fact that if you use a beta, you are not allowed to share that info and thats why I couldnt rely on you (this reason only) because if you know it, you wouldnt tell anyway. See those previous posts when the conversation was about L6 release:

For clarification: For the desktop application, FL normally has an "open" beta, and users are more than free to discuss it. In the quote from me you gave above, I joked about being in an L7 alpha program... At the time I joked about that, I had not even seen (or been notified about) L6 yet. It <appears> that FL might be moving to a 2 year cycle. 

L4 was "current" for three years (11/09 - 10/12). L5 was "current" for two years (11/12 - 10/14). It looks like FL is on a two year cycle. To ask the question, "is L7 right around the corner" would mean that they have moved to a year and a half (or less) cycle. It isn't likely. Forget the development of the software (which is always ongoing!). The difference between the designation of L6 and L7 is really about sale of base packages. It's how FL stays in business. If new base packages came out too soon, it would be counter productive. I believe "L7" will come out in fall of 2016, but that is just a guess. 

The creation of "Logos Now" further helps to diminish the difference between "L6" and "L7" since many of the features of "L7" are available "now" with Logos Now. As Bob has suggested, "Logos Now" helps to create a steady stream of revenue to lessen the dependance upon sales every 2-3 years... (which will always be an important part of their business strategy unless they start charging for the actual software). 

Thank you alabama24 and Mark for clarification!, I assumed in the light of the links posted above that you know more information than it actually is. But as of now I understand that even IF you collaborate on L7 beta, you still dont know release time. 

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