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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Dec 25 2015 8:19 PM

There's lots of stuff on Community Pricing. Some of it's been there for a long time Many of us have bids on resources in Community Pricing that we really value very highly and wish were in our libraries yesterday. Often we say as much in threads devoted to those resources that are ignored by people who've decided from the thread title that they already don't care, which limits our ability to mobilize support for stuff stuck in CP. My hope is that this thread title should get around a lot of that.

So why should I put in a bid for your favourites? I'm already sold on mine. What's valuable in CP that I might not have a bid in for? Why is it valuable?

For the purposes of this thread, please follow these guidelines when posting:

1. Please use at least two hundred words per book/collection to explain why something is valuable, not including any excerpts or quotations from the book or from the product page. "Buy x, it's awesome because it's a great {genre of x} book," and "Buy x because y wrote it (and you already know that y is awesome)," posts are not the point of this thread. The word minimum exists in order to make posts in this thread more useful to readers than otherwise. 

2. No more than one CP offering per post, in order to avoid reader confusion.

3. No more than two posts by the same person in a row, in order to avoid thread monopolization, but there is no limit to how many offerings one person can promote.

4. Don't write about why some resource is not valuable.

5. Remember that something being cheap is not a reason why it's valuable, although if it has some value, it being cheap might make buying it worth it.

6. It's perfectly fine to promote an offering that someone else has already promoted, but their words don't count toward your two hundred.

7. Please remember to include a working link to the product you want us to bid on. Smile

Thanks! Let's see if we can give some CP resources a boost.

PS: This post itself is almost 400 words, so 200 should be a breeze.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 25 2015 10:09 PM

The Speaker's Commentary (13 vols.)

This series begins with the following insight: "Whilst the Word of God is one, and does not change, it must touch, at new points, the changing phases of physical, philological, and historical knowledge, and so the Comments that suit one generation are felt by another to be obsolete." And while I take serious it's message i think it has something to offer us in the 21st century.  The Speaker's Commentary, the collaborated efforts of a team of over 30 top Anglican scholars. This set is most valuable to me in particular because of it's volumes devoted to the Apocrypha. We have a wealth of classic commentaries and fresh ones dealing with the 66 books of the Bible but we have only a relatively small number dealing with the Apocrypha. The commentary focus mostly on understanding and historical issues but does often go into practical insights. We do a great disservice when we limit ourselves to only current works and neglect the works of the past. Just as the Fathers of Church offer us valuable insight of their period just so this series offers us the insights gleaned in their time. I honestly feel this work will benefit all Christians both Protestants and Catholic. And hope it can be blessing for all who consider it. At about $3.40 a volume it seems very reasonable to add in another voice for us to hear from and dialogue with in our studies.

-Dan

Edit--PS: I realize my post is not 100% inline with your request and I do apologize but I do value this one when I have used it online and hope some will consider it, I do plan on trying to focus more in with your request when for my second one I try to advocate for A New Commentary on Holy Scripture Including the Apocrypha.

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JoshInRI | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 26 2015 2:53 AM

Thanks Dan.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 26 2015 6:41 AM

Dan Francis:
Edit--PS: I realize my post is not 100% inline with your request

It works for me.

Dan Francis:
I do value this one when I have used it online and hope some will consider it, I do plan on trying to focus more in with your request when for my second one I try to advocate for A New Commentary on Holy Scripture Including the Apocrypha.

I'm looking forward to it. I've already placed a $4 USD bid on it and look forward to seeing why it's worth more than that. Smile

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 26 2015 12:41 PM

A New Commentary on Holy Scripture Including the Apocrypha.

From the forward: This Commentary is written by Anglican scholars who, while holding their faith, are determined in approaching the books to give their critical faculty, instructed by all the means within their power, its full and rightful freedom. It is hardly necessary to say that they have not found the results of legitimate criticism to conflict with the Catholic faith, though, believing, as they do, that criticism is a progressive science, and in the main a new science, their conclusions do very often differ widely from those which have been traditional. It will perhaps hardly be doubted that a Commentary on the whole Bible, written from this particular point of view, has been for many years both wanted and lacking; so that we need not apologize for endeavouring to supply the need. But it should be added that on no portion of the books was a new Commentary more obviously required than on the Apocrypha. It is not easy to exaggerate the importance of the books comprised under this ambigous title in supplying the mental background necessary for understanding the New Testament.

Praised by C. S. Lewis as “Probably the best single book of modern comment on the Bible,” A New Commentary on Holy Scripture Including the Apocrypha focuses on the spiritual understanding and application of the Scriptures. This much cherished Bible commentary was done by  Charles Gore's who was a great English scholar, writer, and bishop (in the Church of England), who attempted to reconcile "Anglo-Catholicism" with the Neo-Orthodoxy that was coalescing on the European continent in Reformed circles (and, to an extent, within Lutheranism). Most notably of Gore's younger contemporaries are Karl Barth and Emil Brunner. This work has served the church for many generations. With reprinting’s done in 1936, 1943, 1951, 1958, 1962, and 1980 (I would guess I may have well missed some too). A volume that was in print for over 50 years deserves to be in Logos. It may not be the most indepth commentary written but it’s value has been shown by the many thousands who have used it over the years. I have decided it is so valuable to as have ordered a copy to have in my physical library. One day soon I hope to have a electronic copy in my Faithlife Library.

 -Dan 

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Lynden Williams | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 26 2015 7:58 PM

Too lazy to write right now. Already have a bid on the one Dan recommended. I bid 8.00. What if everyone upped the bid to 12.00. Let's see if that will cause the bar to go up. I am referring to  A New Commentary on Holy Scripture Including the Apocrypha . Changed my bid to 12.00

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 26 2015 10:55 PM

English Bible Collection (27 vols.)

And yes, to get this into production requires more than $1 a book. Remember that Bibles require verse-mapping so that references move smoothly between translations.

This collection provides us with several historically important English translations. So why should I care? Aren't today's translations better - based on a greater knowledge of manuscripts, grammar, syntax, word use? That is precisely the problem. If we are to understand, for example, how Cotton Mathers or Jonathan Edwards interpreted the Bible, we need to be able to see what he saw. What may appear to us to be an error or an obscure line of thought may be a difference in the text that is presented to us. Or it may be that a word used today in only a technical theological sense was used in a broader a sense. For example, with the exception of the idiom "pray tell" we don't use "pray" except in relationship to God. We no longer use it to mean "humbly request". So we can easily misread the sermons and theology of early writers. Using a translation that speaks of religion in the same language as they do helps.

Other translations are useful for showing us where our culture demands a particular use of language because it is familiar rather than because it is accurate ... "The Lord is my shepherd ...", "Our Father who art in heaven ...", "Blessed be the peacemakers ..." You may not use the Coverdale translation, but reading the translation's Psalter will sound eerily familiar because the Coverdale remained the Psalter of choice for several denominations. See http://www.lutheransonline.com/lo/675/FSLO-1059011476-804675.pdf for a modern spelling version.

Additional translations also are useful for analyzing the changes in philosophy of translation over time - some translations being early attempts that failed but started a fruitful stream of translations, others being innovative and successful in their own right. Encyclopedia of English Language Bible Versions by Bradford B. Taliaferro gives insight into the wealth of translations available from which this collection represents some of the most influential historically.

A final point, when Bible phrases become embedded in your mind it is often either from one particular translation or with misremembered pieces. A wide variety of translations serves as an accidental fuzzy search function ... there is a better chance that the muddled memory actually matches some transaction.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 26 2015 11:26 PM

Classic Methodist Ritual and Rites Collection (4 vols.)

But I'm not Methodist ... But I don't believe in using prescribed rituals ... But it's obsolete ....  To which I have a single response: I'm not suggesting that you use it as a source for your rituals, I'm suggesting that you need it as a source for understanding how scripture has been understood and used historically and to understand the cultural associations with scripture. You need this resource for the same reason that you need to know that the folk song "Turn, Turn, Turn" is based on Ecclesiastes 3, or that many people associate Psalm 23 with funerals ... cultural associations with the Bible need to be taken into account when presenting scriptures to others. You make want to take the cultural image and build on it ... or the cultural image may be a misinterpretation that you need to overcome. Either way, it is important to know that the association exists.

So what does that have to do with this resource? Methodists are a significant percentage of culture. When and where Methodists or those raised Methodist heard particular scriptural passages helps one learn the cultural baggage associated with the passage. Especially in apologetics this can be an essential element in preparing yourself.

So you are a Methodist ... knowing the historic background of your current ritual can assist you in appreciating the intent of your current rituals. Some of the ritual traditions go back 1800 years or more which help one recognize your connectedness with earlier Christians. So you are Anglican or from another Anglican derivative ... comparing the changes in your tradition to the changes in Methodism can help you identify the distinctives of each tradition, making it easier to understand the theologians' arguments.

So you're unrelated to ritual traditions of any type ... these resources can teach you what has been meaningful to a group of Christian with a particular theology at a particular point in time. It can help you recognize the elements you need to consider in planning your services and how to evaluate the success or lack thereof of a particular service. And it gives you insights necessary for apologetics.

Note a similar argument can be made for Anglican Liturgy and Ecclesiology Collection (6 vols.)

Anglican Liturgy Collection (12 vols.)

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 27 2015 1:40 AM

Lynden Williams:
Already have a bid on the one Dan recommended. I bid 8.00. What if everyone upped the bid to 12.00. Let's see if that will cause the bar to go up. I am referring to  A New Commentary on Holy Scripture Including the Apocrypha . Changed my bid to 12.00

Wonder if it will change anything, but I'm in the same situation as Lynden and did the same.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 27 2015 1:47 AM

MJ. Smith:

Great writeup! Good to see that it's out to cross the line soon!

MJ. Smith:
Note a similar argument can be made for Anglican Liturgy and Ecclesiology Collection (6 vols.)

Which needs some more love from Anglicans and non-Anglicans

(noting in passing that the third link in your post

MJ. Smith:
Anglican Liturgy Collection (12 vols.)

is not on CP, but a PrePub offer.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 27 2015 9:36 AM

https://www.logos.com/product/16808/english-bible-collection

Primarily because of my heavily interested in the many translations and comparing one to another and each to the OL text.

I have a bid of $30 on this since 2013, and it is just crawling along. A couple of the translations included in this collection are already released in the standard base package.

MJ explains it best. Smile

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 27 2015 10:24 AM

https://www.logos.com/product/16808/english-bible-collection

I have nothing to add to what's already been said about it.

I hope that this thread contributes a couple of bids to it.

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Jerome Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 28 2015 12:14 PM

I have been hoping for some while that the Classic Studies on Baptism (42 volumes, $80) will reach the finish line while I'm still young enough to study them!

https://www.logos.com/product/33657/classic-studies-on-baptism

I believe we all ought to be vitally interested in the subject of baptism. I encountered the subject when I became a Christian as a teenager. On Sundays I attended Highland Park Baptist Church, where I was a new and newly-trained Sunday school teacher of a class of fourth grade boys. Sunday evening and midweek I attended Thoburn Methodist Church in Detroit, just two blocks away, as a result of responding to the invitation to attend the youth group by a close neighbor, who sponsored the MYF group. The Methodist Church pastor permitted me to choose whatever mode of baptism I preferred, or believed in. I decided to be sprinkled. Then the church leadership at Highland Park Baptist discovered that here I was teaching Sunday school, but my name was not on the church membership rolls. I asked what I needed to do. They said I must be immersed to join the church, so I agreed to that. My parents did not agree to that. So one of the elders or deacons from the church came to get me and bring me back home.

The subject has been a growing interest for me ever since. I have many of the volumes in the Classic Studies on Baptism collection, but there are several very important titles I do not have which I would like to read for myself, since they are referred to in volumes I do have.

Unfortunately, I am a neophyte when it comes to computer stuff and writing posts on forums. If I knew how, without losing my  place here writing this comment, I'd go over the titles that are of special interest and tell you why you should find them helpful too. Since I cannot do that, let me mention just one of the titles I recall is on the list which I do have, which I have found very helpful.

The volume on baptism by Hibbard as I have it in print is two volumes bound as one. This title is most significant, because besides discussing the mode of baptism, Hibbard presents what I consider to be an unanswerable defense of the validity of the continued practice of baptism in our time. That may seem a strange thing to question for most of you who manage to read here, but there are interesting groups I've encountered either through their literature or in person who do not believe ritual water baptism is for this dispensation or age. Hibbard presents such a full, clear, Scriptural case to prove otherwise, that I believe his work is well worth careful study for that content alone.

Many of these works on baptism delve deeply into both Old and New Testament topics related to the subject of baptism. Reading them will give many linguistic, grammatical, and cultural insights into both the Old and New Testament that you likely would totally miss ever knowing about, and for that reason they are highly valuable to me.

My personal interest in this general subject was deepened when I realized that knowing each side of the question and beliefs about baptism would prepare me better to witness to my Jehovah Witness friends and visitors to my home. The thought here for me has been that when one is in such a group, one is in a very closed and authoritarian system of belief, belief directed by top-down authority, not belief founded in a careful personal study of Scripture itself. Because that is so, thorough knowledge of an alternative view on what would be for them an unstudied view would shed further light from the Bible itself never encountered before, yet solidly based upon Scripture. That could be one way the Holy Spirit could employ my witness, and yours, when appropriate, to break the bondage to a false system.

Much more could be said, and I have no idea whether I exceeded my allotted word-count, but I trust more of you will boost the number of bids for the set of Classic Studies in Baptism. As I looked today, it seems to be up to about 75% there.

Surely the price is right, for at $80 for 42 volumes, that is less than two dollars a volume.

But more than that, you will strengthen your own faith as well as be more aware of the basis for views other than your own if you take the time--as I have--to read the kinds of material and scholarship represented in this collection.

Here I am a retired English teacher, and I have a strong interest in this area. I hope many of you will develop an interest in this subject too.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 28 2015 1:12 PM

Great story, great writeup, great encouragement to bid! 

OT:

Jerome Smith:
I have no idea whether I exceeded my allotted word-count

I pasted your text into MS Word and it counts 804 words 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Dec 28 2015 4:30 PM

Liturgical Press Interfaces Collection (15 vols.)

Sometimes I get quite sarcastic about Bible study offered to the average pew-warmer. Many resources seem geared to 5th grade fill-in-the-blank and color-code like words/concepts methods or 8th grade ask this set of rote questions of everything. These materials fail to acknowledge that people serious about Bible study grow in their knowledge and experience and as they do they can ask more complex questions, explore more obscure connections and learn new aspects of the text to question. The Interfaces series recognizes this.

The series is geared towards high-school seniors/college freshmen i.e. a level of many average pew-warmers. Each book not only studies a character in detail but it shows the methods/techniques that the author used to get there. In other words, not only does one learn about a character in depth, one learns possible skills to add to your own toolbox when you read scripture .. especially narrative and characters. This is solid (academic) scholarship by which I mean there is little denominational bias.

What I find most fascinating, and useful, in the series is that amount of information that can be gleaned from a close study of very short stories such as the cannibal mothers of 2 Kings 6:24–33 Part of the impact of the story is its place in the cycle of Israeli history ... falling away, God's punishment, coming back to worship of the true God ... falling away. This sense of the detailed events finding their meaning in the flow of salvation history is established in the introductory volume From Earth’s Creation to John’s Revelation: The Interfaces Biblical Storyline Companion.

This is not a series to learn the character of heroes to emulate, it is a series of character studies to learn to read the scripture more closely, put scripture in the context of the entire story of salvation, and to therefore understand why a particular story "belongs" in the Bible.

[Okay, I cheated in one respect ... this is pre-pub not community pricing. But do the forum threads every remain completely on topic?]

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