Logo 4 is not available to me when I am signed in under a different user account

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Phillip Brown | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Feb 27 2010 6:35 AM

On the Same computer in the ofice depending what user account you are signed in under Logos 4 does not show up?  How can we have Logos 4 show up for al user accounts?

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LaRosa Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 27 2010 6:39 AM

It is only installed on one user account (the user that installs it). The only way to have it on multiple accounts is to install it for each account.

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Phillip Brown | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 27 2010 6:47 AM

does that mean a complete install under each acount?

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Kevin Becker | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 27 2010 7:11 AM

PhillipBrown:

does that mean a complete install under each acount?

Yes,

However, if you do a custom install on a portion (Like creating a C:\Logos4 to install in) of the computer that is accessible from all user accounts it might work. I've never tried it so someone who has would have to chime in here with a report on how it works or doesn't work.

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 27 2010 7:18 AM

Yes, if you want the program available on multiple accounts it has to be installed on each account.

 

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David Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 27 2010 9:39 AM

From what I understand from the various threads that have dealt with this issue over the past few months :

Logos 4 is licensed to a user, not as most other things are, to a computer.  You can install and use it on your account on as many computers as you normally use (even if these are PCs, Macs or iPhones of others with mobile web access.)

It does not install by default to your "Program Files" directory, although you can custom install it anywhere you want.  Nevertheless, the resource files are installed to a folder that is named in an encrypted way to be user/password specific, with the intent that the resources are available to the licensed user, even if different users have different sets of licensed resources installed to the same directory on the same computer.

It is programmed to align the copies on all computers to the user preferences assigned by the licensed user. (ie: you cannot have different sets of preferred resources or different preferred Bibles on different computers.)

It is assumed that if you want to share your copy with your wife or other family members then you are close enough that you do not need to have seperate accounts on your computer, or at the very least you are OK with giving your password to those you share with.  If you are not that close then you should be getting seperate copies.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 27 2010 11:56 AM

PhillipBrown:
On the Same computer in the ofice depending what user account you are signed in under Logos 4 does not show up? 

As has been pointed out the license you has does carry restrictions. Below is the text of Bob Pritchett's explanation of what the EULA should mean. I think you'll find him addressing church situations in this.

From http://community.logos.com/forums/t/341.aspx?PageIndex=2

Bob Pritchett:

Arrgghhh! I hate this topic. :-)

We have lots of heated discussions about this internally. Every other week we get the desperate-to-be-legal-and-ethical user who calls to confirm that they can install the software on their desktop and notebook computer. The other weeks we hear about the every-loophole-finding user who wants to parse our latest statement on the EULA to let them install the software on every machine they see, and to charge people for the service.

I am not going to answer all your questions. Ever. I don't want to. I don't want a clean-cut policy, because it just annoys the honest user who has a legitimate situation while doing nothing to stop the person who justifies-to-themselves whatever behavior they want.

So what follow is still not "the final answer." It's a guide, similar to what I tell our CS people. (Who all wish I wouldn't give them discretion, but would instead make an easy-to-refer-to policy. :-) )

We license the software to one user.

If you are one user with 10 computers, because you run a Mac, Windows, notebook, netbook, desktop, church, home, and three flavors of Linux, I don't care. You're just one user, albeit with too many computers.

(People call up and say "how many computers can I put it on?" We don't care, if they're all YOUR computers. When we say "3", as we used to, for convenience, we'd get people who called with lengthy and unnecessary explanations for why they owned four computers. We'd also get people who would install it on the Pastor, Youth Pastor, and Sunday School Teacher's computers. And we'd say that was wrong, and they'd say "You said three computers for one owner, and the church is the owner, so it's legal to put it on three computers used by people who work at the church." I say, that's abusing the license.)

What about my spouse? What about my child?

Well, now it depends. Are you and your spouse "one user"? I know lots of people who have a single email address like JoeAndMary@somemail.com. They have one computer, one email address, one copy of Windows, (one car? one cell phone?) etc. To me, they're "one user." Same thing when little Joey uses the family computer.

But if we extend the license to "officially" allow family use, we get (actual) scenarios like: Joe and Mary are both ordained ministers who attend and preach at different churches on Sunday morning. Each has an office, their own computer, their own salary and budget, and even their own church secretary. This, to me, doesn't feel like "one user". This feels like two users.

We also get Pastor Joe who has a 22 year old son Joe, Jr. in seminary, or a 35 year old son who is a pastor across the country. We've had people tell us they don't need multiple licenses, because they're family members. But Pastor Joe and grown-up Joe, Jr. seem like two users to me.

What if the user is a church, not a person?

It's great if the church wants to buy the software so the pastor doesn't have to buy it with their own funds. But that doesn't mean everyone who works at or attends the church is a legal user of the software (as some have tried to argue). It's still for "one person user"; thay can be Pastor Joe, and if Pastor Joe leaves, you can have him uninstall it and let new Pastor Mark use it instead. But we don't do site or organization licenses -- we license to a (human) user, even if an institution is the purchaser.

In the future, our software will use more web resources. You will be able to log into these resources -- and your own content -- at Logos.com using an email address and password. Our interaction will be with this "one user" who logs in, and who has one username, one email address, one mailing address, one name, one credit card, and one password. One set of note files, prayer lists, and reading plans. "One user."

I hope this helps. For the record, this email is not a replacement of the EULA or a new policy. It's just how I think about it, and how I encourage our staff to think about it.

-- Bob

Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

Bridgeport, CT USA

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