Factbook "Sin" article - question about Sense Tagging

Why is "God (Israelite)" listed as one of the senses in the Factbook article on Sin?

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  • James Taylor
    James Taylor Member Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭

    yeah that definitely doesn't fit!

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  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    And then there is the question about why it is a preaching theme not a topic ...

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Philana R. Crouch
    Philana R. Crouch Member, Logos Employee Posts: 4,597

    Graham, I've reproduced this bug and made a case for the development team to look at.

  • Sean Boisen
    Sean Boisen Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,452

    This is actually by design. The Factbook page for "sin" merges information about the Preaching Theme of "sin" with the Cultural Concept for "sin", defined as "Actions that violate the law or moral standard of God." Then, we have two kinds of relationships between cultural concepts and the senses in the Bible Sense Lexicon: "equivalent" and (more generic) "related". The Senses section of the Factbook page lists both kinds of relationships together. So we're not claiming that the sense for God is the same as sin (God forbid!), but that they're related: if you're interested in the concept of "sin", you might also be interested in the sense for God. 

    (If it makes you feel better, the Factbook page for "singing" also lists God as a sense[:)])

    It's possible that "Related Senses" would be a better label for this Factbook section, so people don't assume equivalence (since we're not proposing it): i've passed that along as a possible suggestion.

    To MJ's question:

    MJ. Smith said:

    And then there is the question about why it is a preaching theme not a topic ...

    Factbook pages are displayed with an icon for the more specific "type", but merge together different types of information to make it easy for users to find things without having to make all the fine distinctions we often make internally. "Sin" is a good example: we have a "topic" (LCV concept), a preaching theme, a cultural concept, along with other things we don't merge into Factbook: several lexical senses like sin as estrangement from God), Bible Word Study on "sin", etc.

  • Graham Criddle
    Graham Criddle MVP Posts: 32,634

    Hi Sean

    This is actually by design. The Factbook page for "sin" merges information about the Preaching Theme of "sin" with the Cultural Concept for "sin", defined as "Actions that violate the law or moral standard of God." Then, we have two kinds of relationships between cultural concepts and the senses in the Bible Sense Lexicon: "equivalent" and (more generic) "related". The Senses section of the Factbook page lists both kinds of relationships together. So we're not claiming that the sense for God is the same as sin (God forbid!), but that they're related: if you're interested in the concept of "sin", you might also be interested in the sense for God. 

    Thanks for the detailed explanation

    It's possible that "Related Senses" would be a better label for this Factbook section, so people don't assume equivalence (since we're not proposing it): i've passed that along as a possible suggestion.

    Thank you - sounds good.

  • MJ. Smith
    MJ. Smith MVP Posts: 53,405

    To MJ's question:

    MJ. Smith said:

    And then there is the question about why it is a preaching theme not a topic ...

    Factbook pages are displayed with an icon for the more specific "type", but merge together different types of information to make it easy for users to find things without having to make all the fine distinctions we often make internally. "Sin" is a good example: we have a "topic" (LCV concept), a preaching theme, a cultural concept, along with other things we don't merge into Factbook: several lexical senses like sin as estrangement from God), Bible Word Study on "sin", etc.

    Ah-ha! I finally see what made me constantly uneasy about the merging of similar entries ... to me the Preaching Theme is on the less specific type end of the spectrum ... the same Biblical material is covered in far fewer Preaching Themes than Topics so the Preaching Themes are more general. In my particular case I had always completely ignored Preaching Themes because they were too general for my purposes.

    The basic problem with the merge concept from my perspective is that it makes the Factbook simply another place where one gets an overload of data to the point of becoming useless for some entries. It works very well and is helpful on some libraries but it does not scale.

    Orthodox Bishop Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."; Orthodox proverb: "We know where the Church is, we do not know where it is not."

  • Sean Boisen
    Sean Boisen Member, Logos Employee Posts: 1,452

    Individual Preaching Themes are definitely more general in the topical space they cover, compared to LCV concepts. But they're more limited or specific in the kinds of information we collect around them: that's the sense in which they're more "specific".