Factbook "Sin" article - question about Sense Tagging

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, May 20 2016 3:17 AM

Why is "God (Israelite)" listed as one of the senses in the Factbook article on Sin?

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 20 2016 6:07 AM

yeah that definitely doesn't fit!

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 20 2016 1:47 PM

And then there is the question about why it is a preaching theme not a topic ...

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 23 2016 3:19 PM

Graham, I've reproduced this bug and made a case for the development team to look at.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 23 2016 9:00 PM

Thanks Philana

Appreciated, Graham

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 10:34 AM

This is actually by design. The Factbook page for "sin" merges information about the Preaching Theme of "sin" with the Cultural Concept for "sin", defined as "Actions that violate the law or moral standard of God." Then, we have two kinds of relationships between cultural concepts and the senses in the Bible Sense Lexicon: "equivalent" and (more generic) "related". The Senses section of the Factbook page lists both kinds of relationships together. So we're not claiming that the sense for God is the same as sin (God forbid!), but that they're related: if you're interested in the concept of "sin", you might also be interested in the sense for God. 

(If it makes you feel better, the Factbook page for "singing" also lists God as a senseSmile)

It's possible that "Related Senses" would be a better label for this Factbook section, so people don't assume equivalence (since we're not proposing it): i've passed that along as a possible suggestion.

To MJ's question:

MJ. Smith:

And then there is the question about why it is a preaching theme not a topic ...

Factbook pages are displayed with an icon for the more specific "type", but merge together different types of information to make it easy for users to find things without having to make all the fine distinctions we often make internally. "Sin" is a good example: we have a "topic" (LCV concept), a preaching theme, a cultural concept, along with other things we don't merge into Factbook: several lexical senses like sin as estrangement from God), Bible Word Study on "sin", etc.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 12:01 PM

Hi Sean

Sean Boisen:
This is actually by design. The Factbook page for "sin" merges information about the Preaching Theme of "sin" with the Cultural Concept for "sin", defined as "Actions that violate the law or moral standard of God." Then, we have two kinds of relationships between cultural concepts and the senses in the Bible Sense Lexicon: "equivalent" and (more generic) "related". The Senses section of the Factbook page lists both kinds of relationships together. So we're not claiming that the sense for God is the same as sin (God forbid!), but that they're related: if you're interested in the concept of "sin", you might also be interested in the sense for God. 

Thanks for the detailed explanation

Sean Boisen:
It's possible that "Related Senses" would be a better label for this Factbook section, so people don't assume equivalence (since we're not proposing it): i've passed that along as a possible suggestion.

Thank you - sounds good.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 1:42 PM

Sean Boisen:

To MJ's question:

MJ. Smith:

And then there is the question about why it is a preaching theme not a topic ...

Factbook pages are displayed with an icon for the more specific "type", but merge together different types of information to make it easy for users to find things without having to make all the fine distinctions we often make internally. "Sin" is a good example: we have a "topic" (LCV concept), a preaching theme, a cultural concept, along with other things we don't merge into Factbook: several lexical senses like sin as estrangement from God), Bible Word Study on "sin", etc.

Ah-ha! I finally see what made me constantly uneasy about the merging of similar entries ... to me the Preaching Theme is on the less specific type end of the spectrum ... the same Biblical material is covered in far fewer Preaching Themes than Topics so the Preaching Themes are more general. In my particular case I had always completely ignored Preaching Themes because they were too general for my purposes.

The basic problem with the merge concept from my perspective is that it makes the Factbook simply another place where one gets an overload of data to the point of becoming useless for some entries. It works very well and is helpful on some libraries but it does not scale.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 25 2016 2:32 PM

Individual Preaching Themes are definitely more general in the topical space they cover, compared to LCV concepts. But they're more limited or specific in the kinds of information we collect around them: that's the sense in which they're more "specific".

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