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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 7:07 AM

I don't know much about Christianity Today but this has been an interesting thread to read (with a few chuckles here and there).  I looked at their statement of faith but it seems short to me.  I wonder what their stances are on more hot button topics like: Eternal hell vs annihiliation, abortion, homosexuality, etc

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 12:26 PM

Mattillo:
I wonder what their stances are on more hot button topics like: Eternal hell vs annihiliation, abortion, homosexuality, etc

Luckily, most statements of faith are short and stick to the basics ... not to current hot buttons ... otherwise I wouldn't read and collect them ... or wish that Pellikan's collection was in Logos.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 1:57 PM

You and I differ there but I can understand how you arrive at that point.  Hot Button may have been the wrong term but when looking at a church, I like to see where they sit on certain things. The EFCA's SoF would be something I would look for as it is a good outline of where they place themselves but to each person their own I guess.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 2:01 PM

To clarify, yes I know the EFCA doesn't mention abortion/homosexuality. I'm not sure what I was thinking of when I wrote that.  Maybe I'm losing my mind today which is possible Smile

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 2:15 PM

Mattillo:

You and I differ there but I can understand how you arrive at that point.  Hot Button may have been the wrong term but when looking at a church, I like to see where they sit on certain things. The EFCA's SoF would be something I would look for as it is a good outline of where they place themselves but to each person their own I guess.

If you can't tell where they stand by reading what they have to say, it's probably not something they deal with.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 2:37 PM

The Apostolic Creed sets the standard for statements of faith.

How to deal with various kinds of sin does not belong in there. Why include homosexuality and abortion, and leave out greed, pride, lust and other things that do a lot more harm to the body of believers?

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EastTN | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 2:37 PM

MJ. Smith:

Luckily, most statements of faith are short and stick to the basics ... not to current hot buttons ... otherwise I wouldn't read and collect them ... or wish that Pellikan's collection was in Logos.

In my mind, "short" and "basics" are both good qualities in any creed, confession or statement of faith. Not that the details don't matter. But I believe that one of the downsides of these formal statements is that they can fossilize and preserve little pieces of church disputes long past the time when they are no longer truly relevant.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 2:39 PM

Jan Krohn:

The Apostolic Creed sets the standard for statements of faith.

How to deal with various kinds of sin does not belong in there. Why include homosexuality and abortion, and leave out greed, pride, lust and other things that do a lot more harm to the body of believers?

I agree.  I think we should stick to the Apostles' Creed or the Nicene Creed rather than have every church and organization construct its own.

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 3:26 PM

George Somsel:

I agree.  I think we should stick to the Apostles' Creed or the Nicene Creed rather than have every church and organization construct its own.

I also agree. However, while the Nicene is more broadly accepted than the Apostles', the issue of the filioque remains divisive between the West and the East.* Even so, the rest of that creed remains the closest we have to a universal Christian statement of faith.

*I think MJ prefers "Byzantine", if I am remembering correctly.

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George Somsel | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 3:33 PM

Virgil Buttram:

George Somsel:

I agree.  I think we should stick to the Apostles' Creed or the Nicene Creed rather than have every church and organization construct its own.

I also agree. However, while the Nicene is more broadly accepted than the Apostles', the issue of the filioque remains divisive between the West and the East.* Even so, the rest of that creed remains the closest we have to a universal Christian statement of faith.

*I think MJ prefers "Byzantine", if I am remembering correctly.

The filioque clause was a later addition.  When I was "Back home again in Indiana" we had a member of the church who was from an Orthodox background.  He simply omitted it.

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Virgil Buttram | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 12 2016 7:18 PM

George Somsel:

The filioque clause was a later addition.  When I was "Back home again in Indiana" we had a member of the church who was from an Orthodox background.  He simply omitted it.

Quite so. But once added, the West gave it sufficient weight that one of the myriad of cross-accusations in 1054 was the West accusing the East of omitting it, an historical fact that the East has not forgotten.

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Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 13 2016 2:29 AM

I want to offer my apology.

After a few days, I've reconsidered my word choices and my attitude, and wish I could both reword my message and represent Christ differently. Partly the problem is that what I wrote can be interpreted in a way in which I didn't mean it. For example, the first word in my subject is "Stop", so right out of the gate it seems harsh. But the other part of my problem is that I'm passionate about truth. That, in itself, I believe is honorable and good, but as another participant in this thread intimated, truth without love is a 'clanging gong'.

Through God's kindness, mercy and love in Christ, I am drawn to him to offer my life -- thoughts, words and actions -- in obedience to the faith of Christ. I believe that God draws all people the same way. My original post didn't reflect that.

Warm regards,

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 13 2016 1:01 PM

Apology accepted ...unfortunately needing to apologize seems to be part of the human condition.

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Paul | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 13 2016 4:20 PM

agreed!

Warm regards,

Brian

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Jacob Walsh | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 7 2016 2:56 PM

George Somsel:

Jan Krohn:

The Apostolic Creed sets the standard for statements of faith.

How to deal with various kinds of sin does not belong in there. Why include homosexuality and abortion, and leave out greed, pride, lust and other things that do a lot more harm to the body of believers?

I agree.  I think we should stick to the Apostles' Creed or the Nicene Creed rather than have every church and organization construct its own.

If you're interested, CT recently published a cover story on "how to define heresy", and referenced the Nicene Creed as an ideal starting point.  Here's the editor's note and cover story:

Editor's Note on Orthodoxy

Cover Story on Defining Heresy

Full disclosure: I work for CT :)

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 7 2016 4:08 PM

Lordy.  I'll stick with CT's prophesies about the iPhone.


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Myke Harbuck | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 7 2016 8:40 PM

Mattillo:

I don't know much about Christianity Today but this has been an interesting thread to read (with a few chuckles here and there).  I looked at their statement of faith but it seems short to me.  I wonder what their stances are on more hot button topics like: Eternal hell vs annihiliation, abortion, homosexuality, etc

 The funny thing is that Christianity today is much more conservative than their competitors, the Christian Post. The Christian Post has a tendency to be for more liberal and all inclusive (tolerant). But they weren't even mentioned here. Lol 

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Robert M. Warren | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 8 2016 4:25 AM
Sort of like comparing NPR to BBC?

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