New & Improved Logos Now Membership Program Coming Soon

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James Taylor | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 8 2016 6:45 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
The post on Friday was pretty lacking in hype. We did it as a courtesy to our customers who like advanced warning before we make changes (i.e., dropping the monthly option). It was an attempt at better communication.

I apologize for using the hype word, I do appreciate you communicating with us in advance and I can definitely see how many users would see this as a game changer, now the the details are more clear.  Thanks again

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Aug 8 2016 11:48 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):
Logos Now now has a members-only page where you’ll find regularly updated discounts, offers, and more. If you’re a regular or even occasional Logos buyer, you may save enough in members-only discounts to more than pay for your annual membership.

Phil, I visited this page (https://www.logos.com/now-members) with the intent of seeing what kind of real-world discounts I might receive if I signed up for an annual membership. I can see the products that are listed, but as a non-member I am unable to see the discounts. Is this by design or is it an issue with the website? From a marketing perspective it seems like it would make sense to allow customers such as myself to see what specific discounts we might receive, as that may make the difference between whether we join on not.

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 12:29 AM

Matthew:
I visited this page (https://www.logos.com/now-members) with the intent of seeing what kind of real-world discounts I might receive if I signed up for an annual membership. I can see the products that are listed, but as a non-member I am unable to see the discounts. Is this by design or is it an issue with the website?

I think it is by design - cut from your screenshot:

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 12:32 AM

Mark Barnes:
In addition, even for me, this new deal means I get a 5% discount on Logos 7. I've no idea how much Logos 7 will cost me, but I know that Logos 6 cost me $1,910.14. If Logos 7 is similar, that 5% will be worth $95.50, which would mean that even if I received nothing but the discount, Logos Now really would pay for itself.
 

No details specifics in regards to this was promised to 'subscribers' but there was always a 'promise' that subscribers would get some sort of deal on Logos 7.  So I dont' see this as new but simply confirmation of the shape of that promise. Now we jut have to wait and see the context of that 5% discount.  In previous releases all customers were given a 15% discount, We have no idea what discount will be offered to all customers. If it were the current 10% they are offering on sales then that would only take us back to a %15 discount which is what we have always been offered, but if they go back to offering 15% to all and Now "Members" get 20% then yes that will be a good offer.

Mark Barnes:
I think you need to distinguishing between "nothing new" and "nothing new for me". As Phil has said repeatedly, people who don't own Logos 6 Gold or above will benefit significantly from this change. He's also said there are quite a few of those folk.

This does not change my perspective that as a long term long and reasonably strong supporter of this company (over 24,000 resources - not a huge library but not a small one either)  there is really nothing new in this for me in this than a name change.  

So Mark from my perspective I am simply giving honest feedback to Faithlife about what this means to me as to me as a customer and particularly as a  now "member" so I do not see the need for people to tell me I am wrong for simply doing that.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 12:38 AM

Joseph Turner:

I understand doc, and I didn't mean to come across too strongly, but a lot of things could be jettisoned when it comes down to it.  People get excited over sports, comic book movies, cars, etc..., and we could all take a break.  I do get excited about the prospect of a larger library because I do a lot of research.  Logos is one of my vices.  Instead of a salesman, I have a dealer, lol.

I certainly hope that things have improved for you, and I will keep you in my prayers.  

Thank you Joseph I know it is really difficult in this medium to know where a person is coming from or what is going on in their life outside of this medium and I am as guilty as anyone for not alway remembering that but I have always found that you come across with having the best intentions in what you say and try to treat people well.  Your prayers are appreciated.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 1:08 AM

Disciple of Christ (doc):

This does not change my perspective that as a long term long and reasonably strong supporter of this company (over 24,000 resources - not a huge library but not a small one either)  there is really nothing new in this for me in this than a name change.  

So Mark from my perspective I am simply giving honest feedback to Faithlife about what this means to me as to me as a customer and particularly as a  now "member" so I do not see the need for people to tell me I am wrong for simply doing that.

I didn't say you were wrong - and I certainly didn't say you were wrong to give honest feedback to Faithlife. I simply suggested that your feedback might be more accurate if you said "nothing new for me" (as you did in this reply), rather than simply "nothing new" (as you did originally). I think it is helpful to keep Faithlife on their toes with regard to benefits for people like ourselves who have large libraries, but the more accurate we can be with that feedback, the better all round IMO.

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DIsciple II | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 1:18 AM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Disciple of Christ (doc):
I hope there is more because that was once again a whole lot of marketing hype for a whole lot of nothing so far other than a change of terminology from subscription to membership.

That's not accurate. There's more than a change in terminology, as I outlined here and here.

Keep in mind that these changes we've rolled out may be far more meaningful to other customers, like those below Logos 6 Gold, or those using an earlier version of Logos, or those who want to get started with Logos and build their own library, or those who are regular buyers and would save enough in their existing spending to pay for the membership, or those planning on a large upgrade to Logos 7, or . . . .

The post on Friday was pretty lacking in hype. We did it as a courtesy to our customers who like advanced warning before we make changes (i.e., dropping the monthly option). It was an attempt at better communication.

Phil I am giving you open and honest feedback as to what this means to me as a strong,long term customer of this company so what I am saying is accurate from my perspective. 

And this is something Faithlife is poor at recognizing - that often their offers don't actually have a lot in them for customers like myself and when we try to give such feedback certain elements of the forums try to shut us down and so the disconnect between us and Faithlife only grows.  If you wanted to do something out of the box with this new program one idea is do something that Bob has refused to do for a long time and in his continual refusal to do so he gets offside international customers - offer a free digital subscription to Bible Study Magazine.  For international customers postage costs more than the subscription to the magazine. The magazine is full of advertising that is never going to be interest to international customers and the really interesting content in the magazine is either rehashed on a Logos Blog or Logos Pro video at some point or is put into a Lexham Press books and then we are asked to pay for it a second time. So if you want to delight customers whom Bob has gotten offside in the past please seriously consider this idea.  My subscription to this magazine is about to expire and I have cancelled it because of these reasons.  It is simply not value for money in a print format for me.  Print subscriptions should still be offered, maybe include a discount on print subscriptions for Now Members that still want that on top of a digital subscription.   The only thing I would add is that it needs to be in Logos format, pdf is a waste of time, the magazine needs to be accessible and searchable within the Logos environment.

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Whyndell Grizzard | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 2:42 AM

The "new" Now- is no big deal- again hype- very disappointed.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 2:54 AM

Beloved

You asked about being credited for what you paid into the Logos Now. 

If we just look back at what Logos gave us access to over the last year, I counted three different Mobile Ed class, most times 50 % discount on the monthly resources if we wanted to buy them, as well as being able to use the new features and data sets. Plus we will get a 5% discount added off Logos 7 when it is released. 

I don't know about you but my $89.99 has been many times repaid in full because of having Logos Now.

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 3:34 AM

Whyndell Grizzard:

The "new" Now- is no big deal- again hype- very disappointed.

I agree that not too much has changed ultimately in terms of what we have now, but having the information concerning what will happen at the release of L7 is good.  If they had been release at the same time, it would have caused a great deal of confusion which would have bogged down the L7 release.  I still maintain that L7 will be released sooner than later, and they had to get this information out first.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 3:55 AM

NB.Mick:
I think it is by design - cut from your screenshot

(Facepalm) Thanks. That's what I get for looking at this stuff in the middle of the night. I missed the fine print. Still, I maintain it would be helpful for prospective members to be able to actually see what sorts of discounts are offered each month.

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Yasmin Stephen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 4:04 AM

Matthew:

Still, I maintain it would be helpful for prospective members to be able to actually see what sorts of discounts are offered each month.

The discounts seem to range from 10% to 25%. There are couple of multi-volume resources where the discount is higher but I suspect my dynamic pricing is causing a distortion in these cases.

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Matthew | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 4:18 AM

Yasmin Stephen:
The discounts seem to range from 10% to 25%.

Thank you. Having the actual numbers to work with is helpful. I don't understand why Faithlife wouldn't want its customers to see the specifics of what they are missing out on by not joining. 

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 4:26 AM

So, to summarize: I become a Logos Now member now and pretty much I start using Logos 7's features now (along with the features I already own from L6), the only thing I don't get yet is the new books that come in a Base Package, which I would have to purchase if I want those - Is that correct?

Next: If I don't become a member and just upgrade to L7 when it comes out, I will get L7's new features plus new books, but will lose L6's features since L7's features will replace them - is that accurate?

Finally, but if I want both L6's and L7's features, then I must become a member - is this right?

Thanks!

DAL

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 4:32 AM

Yasmin Stephen:

Matthew:

Still, I maintain it would be helpful for prospective members to be able to actually see what sorts of discounts are offered each month.

The discounts seem to range from 10% to 25%. There are couple of multi-volume resources where the discount is higher but I suspect my dynamic pricing is causing a distortion in these cases.

I have academic discount status so maybe there is some difference there, but I am seeing 10% to 45% discounts on resourced offered under the program.  The Mobile Ed courses on your screen shot are discounted 40%.  Just buying one of them would pay for your annual membership. 

This seems to be a very good value to me.

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Yasmin Stephen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 4:38 AM

Steve:

The Mobile Ed courses on your screen shot are discounted 40%.

40%! Very nice. It's 20% for me, so academic pricing is most likely at play.

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 4:54 AM

Yasmin Stephen:

Steve:

The Mobile Ed courses on your screen shot are discounted 40%.

40%! Very nice. It's 20% for me, so academic pricing is most likely at play.

I should have clicked through and double checked ... you are correct, Mobile Ed Academic Discount pricing.  My apologies for getting hopes up for others.

Still, at 20%, if you were to buy one of them and a few other resources (depending on price and discount) I can see easily making up the membership fee and then some over the course of the year. 

Still a good value in my view if only of the resource discounts.

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Robert Peters | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 5:53 AM

I do not see this as a vast improvement for me since I already have logos reformed Protfolio, baptist diamond, and Platinum standard. This could be very beneficial for some of my pastor friends who do not have this many resources and seminaries. Great program and a vast improvement on Logos Now, just not a huge improvement for me. 

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 6:19 AM

Matthew:
I don't understand why Faithlife wouldn't want its customers to see the specifics

I don't know for sure, but sometimes you're stuck both ways. For example: If they DID list the prices, those without a membership would claim that the resource was being offered at a discount and they didn't receive it. 

I used to work at a drug store in high school. We sold sunglasses "50% MSRP" and "prices as marked." The glasses were labeled with things like "Suggested Retail Price $20" and we would have a sticker listing the glasses for $10. Did that stop people from demanding the glasses at $5? Nope. 

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 9 2016 9:14 AM

Ken McGuire:

The thing is that in the old way, you can get the new features with the Features Crossgrade. You didn't need to upgrade your base package. Looking at the price for the current Features Crossgrade, it looks very comparable with a Logos Now subscription - probably by design. However, I know I paid a lot less than the listed price because of Dynamic pricing. On the other hand, I didn't get the future cookies with that :)

So it is yet another option to consider when Logos 7 comes out - and more choice is not usually a bad thing.

With the old way the full crossgrade was $500 for me, but my Platinum Upgrade, which included new features and books, cost me the same, so I got more for the same price. So I'm not sure Crossgrading alone was better.

DAL

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