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Blake Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 31 2016 8:11 PM

It would be nice to be able to turn off the slides function and perhaps default that setting—many of us don't use slides for every (or any) sermon.

Great feature!

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 5:12 AM

Currently there is no setting to prevent the generation of slides, however (you may or may not be aware) you can delete any or all of the slide generated with the exception of the Title slide. Simply click on the desired slide(s) and select delete

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Keith Larson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 10:45 AM

As a Proclaim Pro Media subscriber and a Logos Now subscriber I am somewhat disappointed that the Media browser does not include ALL the artwork I am paying for. I would like to suggest that this be addressed in a future update.

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Stephen Thorp | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 11:04 AM

Since preaching the Word is a priority for any Christian minister, I was sad to see that the Sermon Editor wasn't included in the Starter Feature Set. Particularly as it's priced $0.00 if purchased separately (which at the moment it can't be). Come on Logos - give us a break!

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josh monda | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 11:53 AM

Keith Larson:

As a Proclaim Pro Media subscriber and a Logos Now subscriber I am somewhat disappointed that the Media browser does not include ALL the artwork I am paying for. I would like to suggest that this be addressed in a future update.

I agree Keith.  I am not a Logos Now subscriber but I am a pro media subscriber and I had already had a background picked out for this weeks message however that background did not appear in logos so I ended up changing my background.  There are several things that I hope they improve I the sermon editor an this is one of them.

Second I hope they come out with spell check.  Unless I am missing something there is no spell check feature.  Also perhaps a better way to export it would be wonderful to export and keep the formatting or make it so that you could preach using logos from your iPad then an export would not be necessary.  I know there is the confidence monitor in proclaim but that is to much distraction.  These are a few things I hope to see in the future 

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josh monda | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 11:55 AM

Stephen Thorp:

Since preaching the Word is a priority for any Christian minister, I was sad to see that the Sermon Editor wasn't included in the Starter Feature Set. Particularly as it's priced $0.00 if purchased separately (which at the moment it can't be). Come on Logos - give us a break!

Stephen,

I too did the same thing I started with the cheapest package to see if Sermon Editor was included and it was not I needed up having to purchase the full feature set for 186.  However, I am fortunate to be able to take it out of my professional expense.  Thought I would have rather used those funds for some other books.  

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elliott siu | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 2:38 PM

Is there any way we could get auto-capitalization of words in a new sentence? 

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Scott Alexander | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 2:51 PM

Keith Larson:

As a Proclaim Pro Media subscriber and a Logos Now subscriber I am somewhat disappointed that the Media browser does not include ALL the artwork I am paying for. I would like to suggest that this be addressed in a future update.

Hello Keith, I plan on adding support for a majority of Pro Media series in Sermon Editor in the near future.

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Stephen Thorp | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 2:53 PM

Hi Josh.

I suppose the question is - is the Sermon Editor worth paying the extra money for? I've been a loyal Logos user since 2006 but was still surprised that this preaching tool wasn't considered sufficiently important to get out to as many people as possible! Thanks Josh for your quick response.

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elliott siu | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 2:57 PM

Having spell check also would be great.

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Fred Chapman | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 3:01 PM

elliott siu:

Having spell check also would be great.

FL has already said that would be in a future release

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 3:02 PM

John Duffy:

Eli Evans:

John Duffy:
Hi Eli, my point is that it doesn't apply the new style at all to anything other than the selected slide.

Ah. Then you may be experiencing a bug that I think we have fixed internally that hasn't shipped out yet. (If I try to explain it in detail, I'm afraid I'll get it wrong Smile).

Hi Eli, 

I hoped the fix might have been included in update 7.0 SR-1 (7.0.0.0074), but it hasn't.  I expect, then, that the fix hasn't shipped in SR-1.  

I notice, however, that while the heading slides and slides added from selected text do not follow the newly selected default slide image, those which are created automatically by typing a Bible reference and then typing return do. I'm not sure if that was a problem or not previously, since I was focused more on slides from headings and selected text.

Eli,

I have discovered by chance that if I edit the main slide at the sermon title (before doing anything else) that depending on what choice of image I select, the result is either that all sermon images follow the default, or only only selected slides do. 

If I edit the title image, and choose from the 22 or so title images which are offered, it appears that what I am choosing is a set of images with 3 different slide variants for heading, body text and verses.  However, if I don't like the look of the 22 or so title images, and browse all media, and can choose from an individual slide type, it will be updated while the other slide types are not. For example, if I edit the title image/slide and select an author image type (with author clearly seen in the slide), then neither heading or verse slides are updated with that image in the sermon. The same applies to heading and verse slides too. It seems that only if I select an image/slide which has Title/Subtitle/Bible verse then it is more likely to result in all slides following the default (there are a few exceptions though, it seems). But if I select an image which does not have a sample Bible verse or "Author name", or Title or Header shown, then it is unlikely that it will work for those slide types. It seems that we should select image collections for the whole sermon, or individually select heading, author, verse 'type' images, and avoid general images unless they apply to individual slides. Is that assumption correct?

Is there some basic advice that we could be given on this topic? I've checked in the short training video and there is nothing that addresses this.

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Yes, John, your observations sound correct.

There are [currently] 22 sets of media that have coverage across all of the Purposes that Sermon Editor uses. If you stick to one of those families, then Sermon Editor will automatically pick similarly themed media for Headings, Passages, Quotes and other Content.

IF however, you explicitly choose a piece of media that doesn't belong to a family, the Sermon Editor has to fallback to an alternative piece of media with the right purpose.

We plan to improve this by 1) expanding the sets of media that are available and work well with the Sermon Editor 2) improving the fallback behavior to consider more than just the last explicit media choice.

Does that help?

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josh monda | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 3:32 PM

Stephen Thorp:

Hi Josh.

I suppose the question is - is the Sermon Editor worth paying the extra money for? I've been a loyal Logos user since 2006 but was still surprised that this preaching tool wasn't considered sufficiently important to get out to as many people as possible! Thanks Josh for your quick response.

At this stage I would say no the sermon editor alone is not worth the extra money.  It is a nice feature but it needs some work.  For instance I did not even prepare my sermon in the editor I prepared it in my normal document because of spell check.  I then copied things over into editor because I like the idea of having it in logos.  Remember there are a few other things that come with the full feature set as well.  Mainly the concordance and some of the theology stuff but even at that I still am not sure it is worth the payment but I don't like to be left behind in technology.  Plus I feel that sermon editor will get there and when it does it will be a huge time saver 

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 4:07 PM

Hi Jacob, thanks for your comments confirming this observed behaviour.  

If I understand correctly, we must use only the collections, and nothing else, if we want our sermon text displayed on background images. 

I think it would have been good to have this made clear at L7 launch to avoid confusion...

Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife):
IF however, you explicitly choose a piece of media that doesn't belong to a family, the Sermon Editor has to fallback to an alternative piece of media with the right purpose.

When looking into this, even though I don't use Proclaim I looked at some of the training videos for it, and saw a Purpose filter there.  It seems that it would be helpful also to have a 'Purpose' filter on the left of the media selection pane, with options such as 'Collection', and then individual options such as 'Title', 'Header', 'Author', 'Bible verse'.  

The individual options would be especially helpful if we were able to choose different individual images for different 'purposes', with those images becoming the default for subsequent slides of the same purpose in the sermon. That would allow us to put together custom collections, such as an image from one collection as default for Title and Header slides but select a Bible verse purpose image from another collection as the default for Bible references. 

Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife):
We plan to improve this by 1) expanding the sets of media that are available and work well with the Sermon Editor 2) improving the fallback behavior to consider more than just the last explicit media choice.

It would also be great to have an option to convert any generic image (those which are not part of a collection with a purpose for title/header/author/Bible text) into a set of custom-generated purpose slides, with selection of text colour (light/dark or better still a wider colour choice), as an overlay (with maybe some basic text positioning options too). While the additional Faithlife-curated collections will be of very high quality, a wider range of background images would make it much more appealing as a program feature, since I gather that as the design currently stands users are not able to upload custom images with the intention of having title/header/author/Bible text overlaid on them. 

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John Duffy:
If I understand correctly, we must use only the collections, and nothing else, if we want our sermon text displayed on background images. 

Sorry I gave that impression, that's not quite right. You're welcome to pick any media you like to render your slide text on.

John Duffy:
It seems that it would be helpful also to have a 'Purpose' filter on the left of the media selection pane

Hm. The media tool is supposed to already work this way:

By default, when you Edit a slide from Sermon Editor, the Media tool defaults to filtering to that Purpose:

John Duffy:
The individual options would be especially helpful if we were able to choose different individual images for different 'purposes', with those images becoming the default for subsequent slides of the same purpose in the sermon.

Yes, this would be a great improvement for our fallback logic.

John Duffy:
It would also be great to have an option to convert any generic image (those which are not part of a collection with a purpose for title/header/author/Bible text) into a set of custom-generated purpose slides...

Yes; support for user-created templates would be very beneficial.

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 1 2016 4:49 PM

Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife):

John Duffy:
If I understand correctly, we must use only the collections, and nothing else, if we want our sermon text displayed on background images. 

Sorry I gave that impression, that's not quite right. You're welcome to pick any media you like to render your slide text on.

Hmm, I've chosen some generic images for Bible verse and body text slides, but there is no text on the slides, just a background image. It just doesn't work unless I pick from those which are listed under one of the purposes. I personally can't get text to render on 'any' media as you indicate.

Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife):

John Duffy:
It seems that it would be helpful also to have a 'Purpose' filter on the left of the media selection pane

Hm. The media tool is supposed to already work this way:

Ah, I now see that it is there sometimes but not others. When I first edit a title slide, it is not there on the left pane. 

As you helpfully point out in the image, the purpose is shown in the media subheader. However, I didn't know/realise it was a purpose filter until you pointed that out. Designers might be very familiar with it, but what appears 'obvious' once you are informed is not always as clear before having been shown. 

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John Duffy:
... but there is no text on the slides, just a background image. It just doesn't work unless I pick from those which are listed under one of the purposes. I personally can't get text to render on 'any' media as you indicate.

Specific examples of this problem would be very helpful. Do you mind starting a new thread to chat about this issue?

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John Duffy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 2 2016 12:48 AM

Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife):
Specific examples of this problem would be very helpful. Do you mind starting a new thread to chat about this issue?

Jacob, here is a new thread on the topic, as requested.

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Jason Van Vliet | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 2 2016 9:24 AM

Jacob Carpenter (Faithlife):

Tab and Shift+Tab can also be used to control indent level.

Can you also please include this keyboard shortcut (Tab & Shift-Tab) to control indent level in the Notes Editor.  I often wish for it in the Notes Editor because I'm so used to having it in MS Word, that I hit tab, without thinking, hoping to get an indent, but instead it goes to the next area of the Notes Editor window.  I would think that once they are in the content section of a Notes document, that people want to be able to use tab for indent level and not for moving around the window.

Thanks for considering this,

Jason

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