Now that Logos 7 is here, it appears that the Orthodox base packages have been discontinued. I'm not really all that surprised, since they discontinued the Platinum package while Logos 6 was still being sold. I am disappointed, but at least the resources can still be purchased individually. I hope the base packages are just being delayed, though.
Hi Russel,
We do have plans to launch Orthodox for Logos 7. They should be ready later this week.
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Ben Amundgaard:We do have plans to launch Orthodox for Logos 7. They should be ready later this week.
Yay!
Now the title of this thread needs to be edited in order not to inadvertently deceive people.
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Yay is right! Thank you!
Thank God! I was so upset when I saw the title of the topic.
Suggest the web site say something like "Coming soon for Logos 7" rather than just linking to a void where Orthodox is missing.....
Yes. I also figured it was missing since I was redirected to a page missing Orthodox base package which also led me to believe it was discontinued. Hopefully the package is filled with books I can use, not promises of prepub-books to come.
Ben Amundgaard: Hi Russel, We do have plans to launch Orthodox for Logos 7. They should be ready later this week.
Are we there yet?
Working on it
We've had a few things come up this week and haven't wrapped them up. They're definitely in progress.
Ben Amundgaard: Working on it We've had a few things come up this week and haven't wrapped them up. They're definitely in progress.
Y'all have had a tough week. Thanks for the hard work!
Any plan for Chaplain package Ben?
mike:Any plan for Chaplain package Ben?
Why not make this a separate thread?
I believe that because of a lack of newer pastoral resources, FL is planning to use some public domain resources to bulk up their new, as yet unreleased, Chaplains base package. Among the titles I believe we will see are:
and many more just like this!
OK. So I know nothing more than you do.
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How about a little more transparency. The previously-available libraries such as the Orthodox Library Builder are no longer available, and the new product was just launched without an Orthodox base package. This is more than just it not being available, otherwise there is no reason for previously-available packages to have gone away. And links to the former Orthodox base package now redirect to a page with all the base packages (but nothing for Orthodox), there is not even a "coming soon" page.
What's the deal? I understand the Orthodox probably don't have much buying power, but please don't make it impossible for Orthodox Christians to purchase their resources without bundling them with stuff we don't want/need. For instance, I can't even buy the Byzantine lectionaries without purchasing the full feature set or a Logos NOW membership. What gives?
I'd appreciate some frank honesty here.
The best way to get any sort of answer Dan in regards to your concerns is to email bob@logos.com. I agree there has not been enough openness and transparency about what is going on with the Orthodox product range.
Dan O'Day: Does Logos intend to continue offering base packages to Orthodox Christians? Why was Orthodoxy excluded from the Logos 7 release?
These two questions have been answered by Faithlife although more implicitly. The packages were not ready at the time of the Logos 7 release - getting a package together is complex. It requires that the resources add up to the same value as the packages in other denominations. It requires that the contracts for those resources allow them to be sold at a discount with some change in compensation to the publisher. It requires that the resources if not in publication be far enough along in the process for Faithlife to be certain they will be published (my guess is they need the files in hand for producing the resource). Furthermore, they need to be reviewed by someone who is Orthodox and knows if they will meet user need not someone who is guessing at what the Orthodox need.
As for why they pulled the old offerings before the new ones were available - or at least rename them and make the resources available - that is a very good question.
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Now that Faithlife has affirmed that it will be releasing Orthodox base packages, I am okay with waiting a bit longer. The only thing I would have done differently, is I would have included a "Base Packages Coming Soon!" graphic when you go to the Orthodox store page. Other than that, I don't really think it is necessary to be more transparent. But that's just my two cents :)
Dan O'Day: How about a little more transparency. The previously-available libraries such as the Orthodox Library Builder are no longer available, and the new product was just launched without an Orthodox base package. This is more than just it not being available, otherwise there is no reason for previously-available packages to have gone away. And links to the former Orthodox base package now redirect to a page with all the base packages (but nothing for Orthodox), there is not even a "coming soon" page. What's the deal? I understand the Orthodox probably don't have much buying power, but please don't make it impossible for Orthodox Christians to purchase their resources without bundling them with stuff we don't want/need. For instance, I can't even buy the Byzantine lectionaries without purchasing the full feature set or a Logos NOW membership. What gives? I'd appreciate some frank honesty here. Does Logos intend to continue offering base packages to Orthodox Christians? Why was Orthodoxy excluded from the Logos 7 release? If Logos does intend to continue offering packages for Orthodox Christians, what is the anticipated product release date and will the same introductory v7 deals be available?
I assure you that there's not attempt here at a lack of transparency and I'm very sorry it feels that way. Let me try to answer your questions as frankly as possible:
As to why we pulled the previous packages: again, there are a number of reasons for this. One of them has to do with the way our website handles base package tracks as they show up in comparison charts and other base-package related pages. Relatedly, the way we reconfigured the base packages for 7 (decoupling the feature set from the libraries) wouldn't have worked with the existing packages (because they fall in the English-speaking track of packages). Pulling out the resources and offering them separately would've been somewhat difficult and would've essentially made more Orthodox bundles.
I hope that helps give you a bit more clarity into the situation. You can rest assured that we are working hard on getting out new Orthodox base packages as soon as possible.
Thank you for the reply. I appreciate it. I didn't realize Gabe was no longer with Logos, so that explains a few things. I would recommend in the future to use the Orthodox products mailing list to let existing customers know they haven't been forgotten or have a coming soon placeholder next to Orthodox base packages in future releases. Folks are still clicking on ads such as this one but now not finding what they were looking for:
Ben Amundgaard:1. Does Logos intend to continue offering base packages to Orthodox Christians?Yes. We have no plans to discontinue our Orthodox line of products.
So when will a free Orthodox book of the month start to be available?
Hey Ben!
What about us former platinum purchasers? How does all this affect us?