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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 14 2016 7:05 AM

TCBlack:

Yes Mark, it can run Logos.  That's the point of it, to run the Android ecosystem with an e-ink screen.

Not all e-Ink Android devices can run Logos (even though in theory they should). We think it's something to do with hardware acceleration, but no-one is really sure.

I'm sure if someone was interested, the developers would be willing to install the Logos app for you, before you purchased.

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 14 2016 7:09 AM

It's hard for me to imagine Logos branded devices working out well. Creating a version of the app optimized for eReaders would likely be much more future proof and considerably easier to develop (there really isn't much that needs to change: a couple of new, relatively minor features, and a bit more backward compatibility than for the standard Android app). 

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 14 2016 7:13 AM

Mark Nolette:

Speaking of hardware...

Another e-ink option has found its way into my hands (with some help from my gadget budget, now depleted for the year). It's the Boyue T63. It has a 6 inch display, 300 dpi, and a microSD card slot. No headphone jack or audio capability. It has physical page turn buttons (they don't work with Logos, sorry). It runs Android 4.2.2. It has 8GB of internal storage. Similar in a lot of ways to the Onyx C67, but has a more refined look and feel. One big advantage: it has a 1 GB partition for user-installed apps. You won't need Link2SD with this one. One disadvantage: it does not have Google Play Store pre-installed. You'd have to root the device to do that (easy) or just install the Amazon App Store without needing to root. It runs Verbum very well. Very good battery life. Overall, I like it more than the Onyx C67, though the Onyx is very good. It can be bought through Banggood (from Hong Kong). Takes about two weeks for shipping. If the T63 continues to work well, I may decide to sell the Onyx C67. We'll see. 

Thanks for the updates! I'm considering getting an eReader for Verbum soon, and it's basically between the Boyue T63 and the Onyx C67. Let us know what you end up preferring! 

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TCBlack | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 14 2016 9:24 AM

Mark Barnes:

TCBlack:

Yes Mark, it can run Logos.  That's the point of it, to run the Android ecosystem with an e-ink screen.

Not all e-Ink Android devices can run Logos (even though in theory they should). We think it's something to do with hardware acceleration, but no-one is really sure.

I'm sure if someone was interested, the developers would be willing to install the Logos app for you, before you purchased.

Interesting.  I had emailed the devs during the earlier parts of the fundraiser and asked them to install Logos or at least the FaithLife study bible.  I never heard back from them.  I wasn't aware that e-ink devices had a unique problem with Logos.  I thought it was based upon software only (e.g. if it ran Android 4.3 it would be fine, etc.)

Hmm Sarcasm is my love language. Obviously I love you. 

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 14 2016 10:06 AM

TCBlack:

Mark Barnes:

TCBlack:

Yes Mark, it can run Logos.  That's the point of it, to run the Android ecosystem with an e-ink screen.

Not all e-Ink Android devices can run Logos (even though in theory they should). We think it's something to do with hardware acceleration, but no-one is really sure.

I'm sure if someone was interested, the developers would be willing to install the Logos app for you, before you purchased.

Interesting.  I had emailed the devs during the earlier parts of the fundraiser and asked them to install Logos or at least the FaithLife study bible.  I never heard back from them.  I wasn't aware that e-ink devices had a unique problem with Logos.  I thought it was based upon software only (e.g. if it ran Android 4.3 it would be fine, etc.)

No, it isn't software/firmware only. As others have said, it has something to do (or so I hear) with hardware acceleration. The Onyx T68 and i86 don't have it. Nor does the Nook Glowlight Plus, which runs KitKat (4.4). If we knew precisely what it was that the Logos app needed to display properly, we could ask the hardware manufacturers good questions before buying!

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Dec 14 2016 10:29 AM

Fr Devin Roza:

Thanks for the updates! I'm considering getting an eReader for Verbum soon, and it's basically between the Boyue T63 and the Onyx C67. Let us know what you end up preferring! 

Hi, Fr. Devin,

That's easy - the Boyue T63. My main reason for making that recommendation is that the Onyx C67 has a very small user app partition - a mere 339MB. Google Play Store and Play Services already hang out there. As a result, if you try to install Verbum from Play Store, you will be told that you don't have enough space to install it. You can install by side oading, but then you can't upgrade, as you'll get the same message. The only way to get around this is to root and set up Link2SD. 

On the other hand, the Boyue T63 has a 1 GB user app partition. No need to root to install Verbum. It has a higher quality look and feel. On the other hand, the T63 has no headphone jack and does not have Play Store pre-installed. You can install Amazon App Store and get Verbum/Logos that way. Or, you can find an easy method on mobileread.com to root and install Play Store on a T63. I've done it.  

The two devices have a number of similarities: same 6 inch display, same 300 dpi, same microSD card slot. But the T63 has better battery life. Each device has a couple of minor annoying glitches. But, overall, I can easily recommend the T63 as the better way to go.  

Edit: Verbum looks slightly better on the T63. The frontlight on the T63 is less bright than the one on the Onyx C67, which is also an advantage for me.

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After much deliberation I finally took the plunge.  I purchased the 8" Inkbook 8

I thought I was going to have to go through a whole slew of things to get it to do what I wanted to do but it actually turned out to be much easier than expected.  Looks like I will have to tweak it a little to get it to use the Micro SD Card the way I want it to but even if I can't get that to work I will still be happy with it.

When I got it I did the immediate update.  I was able to install Kindle and Moon ePub reader.  I tried Amazon Underground to install Logos but for some reason it didn't work.  I installed Dropbox and then downloaded the APK for a previous version of Logos that was in this thread.

Logos installed and works very well.  Downloaded a few books for each app.  Still have space.  I would love to be able to load my SD card up with Logos books but regardless there is only so many books I need at a time and downloading only takes a second.  I probably downloaded 15 books for Kindle and 25 in Logos.  Most of them large commentaries and I still have plenty of space for more.

I am coming from a Kindle 3.  I am happy to have a larger device and one with a built in light.  I am really looking forward to really putting this thing to use!

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2016 2:08 PM

Daniel Di Bartolo:

Hello, all. 

The Faithlife Mobile team wanted to share something with you that you might find interesting. We know that many of you have expressed interest in having Logos on your e-reader or e-Ink device. We think we've found a good option for those of you who prefer reading in that format-- the Icarus e-reader.

We made a quick video to show you some of the functionality-- take a look if you're interested. Lastly, here's a link to the device itself. 

Let us know what you think!

*Please note that we're not currently supporting this in a official capacity-- we're just trying to gauge general interest. 

I bought the Icarus and Logos Bible doesn't appear on the built-in app store, Google Play, or Amazon Appstore. How did you install it?

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2016 2:28 PM

Jacob Hantla:
I bought the Icarus and Logos Bible doesn't appear on the built-in app store, Google Play, or Amazon Appstore. How did you install it?

Try this: https://apkpure.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logos.androidlogos 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2016 2:32 PM

Jacob Hantla:

Daniel Di Bartolo:

Hello, all. 

The Faithlife Mobile team wanted to share something with you that you might find interesting. We know that many of you have expressed interest in having Logos on your e-reader or e-Ink device. We think we've found a good option for those of you who prefer reading in that format-- the Icarus e-reader.

We made a quick video to show you some of the functionality-- take a look if you're interested. Lastly, here's a link to the device itself. 

Let us know what you think!

*Please note that we're not currently supporting this in a official capacity-- we're just trying to gauge general interest. 

I bought the Icarus and Logos Bible doesn't appear on the built-in app store, Google Play, or Amazon Appstore. How did you install it?

I direct downloaded from http://downloads.logos.com/Android/Logos/stable/Logos-287.apk.

Is there a better way?

Please please please get us a basic reader version of Logos for these eink products. There is really a market for this, and to make an reader for e-ink hardware only increases the value of your resources. 

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2016 2:59 PM

Fr Devin Roza:

It's hard for me to imagine Logos branded devices working out well. Creating a version of the app optimized for eReaders would likely be much more future proof and considerably easier to develop (there really isn't much that needs to change: a couple of new, relatively minor features, and a bit more backward compatibility than for the standard Android app). 

Yes

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Jacob Hantla | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 18 2016 3:29 PM

Mark Barnes:

Jacob Hantla:
I bought the Icarus and Logos Bible doesn't appear on the built-in app store, Google Play, or Amazon Appstore. How did you install it?

Try this: https://apkpure.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logos.androidlogos 

Thanks Mark. That worked great and the app works. It's a bit sluggish and I wish that the page-turn controls would work. But it is good to be able to have my whole library on eink and to be able to markup my books directly in my Logos library

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 7:14 AM

Mark Nolette:

Fr Devin Roza:

Thanks for the updates! I'm considering getting an eReader for Verbum soon, and it's basically between the Boyue T63 and the Onyx C67. Let us know what you end up preferring! 

Hi, Fr. Devin,

That's easy - the Boyue T63. 

Mark, thank you so much for this recommendation. I actually ordered the Boyue T63 just a few days after your message (on December 22nd). The Boyue just arrived this Saturday! It took two and a half months to arrive! I chose the "free" shipping option, so buyer beware! I'm guessing the for-pay options might be faster.

I'm very happy with it, and even figured out a way to make the hardware page-turning buttons work to flip pages in Verbum! I'll post that in another thread in case others might be interested (the method should hopefully work with other e-readers as well).

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 7:43 AM

 

Hi, Fr. Devin,

Glad that the T63 is working out so well for you! Sorry about the wait, though. It took two weeks for mine to arrive. 

I'm curious to find out how you managed to link the hardware buttons to Verbum. I tried a couple of ways, unsuccessfully. 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 9:13 AM
Curious if anyone has tried the Icarus Illumina E654BK, it uses Android 4.3 and thought it might be a better option for FL apps. All in all I am pretty happy with my iPad but I can see how an e-ink system would be nice. Although I know more e-ink systems with colour are due out soon so great time to consider what might be a better reader system. -Dan
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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 9:43 AM

Dan Francis:
Curious if anyone has tried the Icarus Illumina E654BK, it uses Android 4.3 and thought it might be a better option for FL apps. All in all I am pretty happy with my iPad but I can see how an e-ink system would be nice. Although I know more e-ink systems with colour are due out soon so great time to consider what might be a better reader system. -Dan

According to this review, this Icarus runs Android 4.2.2 and has a lower screen resolution than the Boyue T63. The Icarus website also says Android 4.2. The Icarus is a little less expensive, but it's actually a scaled-back clone of the Boyue T63. All Icarus devices are made by Boyue.  The Icarus should be a good e-reader, but it runs the same Android version as most Boyue (and some Onyx) devices. So, for Logos/Verbum use, it's already "no longer supported" - just like my Boyue T63! But so far, Verbum still works fine on my T63 (he says with held breath). 

No doubt, more advanced versions of e-ink are on the way. Color e-ink has been a dream for years. The JetBook Ectaco tried an early version of color e-ink, but it wasn't terribly successful. Someone else may have a better version soon. We shall see!  

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Fr Devin Roza | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 10:01 AM

Mark Nolette:

I'm curious to find out how you managed to link the hardware buttons to Verbum. I tried a couple of ways, unsuccessfully. 

It wasn't easy! I tried a few different ways that weren't successful, until finally stumbling on the right way. Here is a description of how to do it: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/136854.aspx, and here is a video showing it working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH1TknmW7bI

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 10:23 AM

Amazon.ca is where if got the 4.3 from since Jellybean is 4.3 unless I have been misinformed. I just know that the FAQ page says requirement of 4.x or newer,  But also know support has officially be dropped for 4.3 and lower, so my concern is making sure a device will be compatible with Logos as long as possible. I mean perhaps it is too much to expect a e-ink tablet to be running Android 7 but I would really like to see updated software before i went out and bought an e-ink device.... Although perhaps I am just being paranoid. I know the margins on these readers are small but surely new ones with a more modern OS are coming?

-dan

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Mark Nolette | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 10:37 AM

Dan, I'd be thrilled if someone came out with an e-ink device that ran a newer version of Android, preferably 7.1! Using some gift money, I was able to buy an iPad Pro 9.7. With the new light sensitive display, it's almost as easy on my eyes as e-ink. But I still prefer e-ink for reading!

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 5 2017 7:54 PM

Mark Nolette:

Dan, I'd be thrilled if someone came out with an e-ink device that ran a newer version of Android, preferably 7.1!

Android 7.1 would be e-ink heaven, but the minimum I'd personally consider for a new purchase is Android 6.0.

Most apps no longer support Android 4.x, and 5.0 ist the next one to drop out. 6.0 should be able to run and stay supported for a reasonable number of years.

For older versions, before long, even Google will drop support, and stop updating apps like PlayStore (which has already happened for Android up to version 3.0 as far as I know). My own e-ink reader is still on Android 2.3, and I have to sideload all app updates now.

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