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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 3 2018 11:29 AM

Jake Mailhot:

We're working on a comprehensive update for the series, we should be able to share it soon.

Any further word on the EEC? I am eager to hear the latest Smile

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 10:22 AM

Jake Mailhot:

Thanks all for your questions about the EEC.

We're working on a comprehensive update for the series, we should be able to share it soon.

The EEC website was recently retired and now EvangelicalExegeticalCommentary.com redirects to a landing page on LexhamPress.com. This landing page will be much easier to maintain.

Any updates on this Jake?  I'm thinking about grabbing the EEC from March Madness but I'd like to know if possible the updated release dates.  I know they can change but at least updated ball parks would be nice.  Also, I remember from a much older post that the volumes were being changed and modified?  Is this still the case?

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 10:34 AM

Also I find it very confusing as to what is in a set and what it is owned.  See picture from EEC site on Logos. 

- Jeremiah isn't listed at all but if you go to Lamentations it is part of a set that contains both... am I getting dynamic pricing for Jeremiah since I own it?  Also, from your earlier post at the top of this set, you mention it was in a review phase.  Is that almost done?

- Song of Songs is listed but if you go to that link it is combined with a set that includes Ecclesiastes.  Is dynamic pricing included even though it isn't listed?

- I own Colossians for some reason (probably got it in a set) but the page for Colossians is empty.  When will that ship? From what I remember it was bundled with Philemon.

- 2 Peter isn't listed but I believe that is bundled with Jude?  I believe I own it but it isn't listed.  I do own Jude.

When you have time, please give us an update.  I'm hesitant to purchase the rest for these reasons as it seems there are more questions than answers.

Thank you

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 10:35 AM

I forgot the picture!

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David Carter | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 11:09 AM

Mattillo:

Any chance of being able to buy them on Pre-Pub?  Normally they just pop into the ecosystem but a prepub discount would be nice

If they did that, they wouldn't be able to include them in a publisher's sale for at least six months! Rather ironic given that they are the publisher.....

From what I was looking at last night, it seems like the new Faithlife Connect Essentials is going to be the best way to get a discount on (at least some of) these titles.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 1:09 PM

David Carter:

From what I was looking at last night, it seems like the new Faithlife Connect Essentials is going to be the best way to get a discount on (at least some of) these titles.

Some EEC volumes are also included in the FL Connect originals free book selection.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 1:57 PM

Mattillo:

Any chance of being able to buy them on Pre-Pub?  Normally they just pop into the ecosystem but a prepub discount would be nice

EEC as a set was on pre-pub several years ago. Those of us who bid on the entire packaged were promised the best price. It might be possible for Faithlife to again offer the set with forthcoming volumes at a mediated price for a short period of time. Allowing those who could not take advantage of the earlier offer or were not around for it to get a discounted price on the remaining volumes. 

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 2:49 PM

Once in a while the EEC volumes go one sale (indeed once or twice i believe there was a free volume +1 for $1.99 which is how I got 1,2,3 john, James and Esther it may have been get a third for $4.99), the prices mentioned of course are well below prepub pricing, but I do remember seeing other volumes on sale once in a while. All these seem like decent volumes and if the EEC went far enough along in March Madness it is something I would consider but as it looks like it will loose out in this round I am not sure there will be enough of a discount to make me reconsider as I had not been overly impressed with the initial volume released and didn't think the EEC was for me, but having lived with these three I have come to really value the 2 NT volumes for sure although I have not spent enough time with Esther to evaluate it fairly one way or another.

-dan

PS: Very happy to own James because it was deemed to be guilty go plagiarism. It was not intentional but rather than repairing it it was withdrawn, but I value it even though i know in academic circles it would be a bit of a pariah.

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Jake Mailhot | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 3:03 PM

Mattillo:

- Jeremiah isn't listed at all but if you go to Lamentations it is part of a set that contains both... am I getting dynamic pricing for Jeremiah since I own it?  Also, from your earlier post at the top of this set, you mention it was in a review phase.  Is that almost done?

- Song of Songs is listed but if you go to that link it is combined with a set that includes Ecclesiastes.  Is dynamic pricing included even though it isn't listed?

- I own Colossians for some reason (probably got it in a set) but the page for Colossians is empty.  When will that ship? From what I remember it was bundled with Philemon.

- 2 Peter isn't listed but I believe that is bundled with Jude?  I believe I own it but it isn't listed.  I do own Jude.

These four "double" volumes will include the second volume when they are released in the future. It's an artifact of the resource system that the second volume isn't listed in the title of these resources, since only the first volume in each of these has been actually released.

Mattillo:

Any chance of being able to buy them on Pre-Pub?

Floyd is correct. The 44-volume set was offered on Pre-Pub for a time when it was first listed. Since then, the collection has been discounted from time to time, usually only for significant promotions like the Publisher Spotlight or March Madness. Plus, the regular price of the 44-volume set is a significant discount off the total SRP of all the volumes taken individually. We try to be sensitive to these customers who purchased the Pre-Pub years ago by not undercutting their investment except in special circumstances (like the Free Book of the Month promotion a few years ago).

As for a comprehensive update, I'm working on collecting those details--many of them have been difficult to track down. I should have more to share later this week or early next week. Thanks.

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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 3:23 PM

Jake Mailhot:

As for a comprehensive update, I'm working on collecting those details--many of them have been difficult to track down. I should have more to share later this week or early next week. Thanks.

I know this has been said quite a few times by many over the years, but as a purchaser of the entire set back in 2011, I have been strongly disappointed by the continuous postponements of volumes being released. I appreciate your honesty that many details have been difficult to track down, but this is more than discouraging. Your comments make me wonder who takes the production of this set seriously at Logos? Is there anyone actively working on the production of this series who is consistently in contact with authors and prodding them along to meet deadlines? I don't pretend to know the whole editorial and production process, but the extreme slowness we have seen just cannot be acceptable by any modern book publishing process. Please do something to ensure deadlines are met. Thank you for hearing me out.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 4:03 PM

Thank you Jake. I'll wait for your update to learn more.  Even though the double items aren't showing they still get counted towards Dynamic pricing correct?

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Don Awalt | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 4:32 PM

Daniel Radke:
I know this has been said quite a few times by many over the years, but as a purchaser of the entire set back in 2011, I have been strongly disappointed by the continuous postponements of volumes being released.

Agree 100%. Below shows a post of Logos' EEC site from 3/22/2011. At that time, 33 volumes had dates, and 32 were to be released by 2017 - 6 1/2 years later! One volume was 2019, and 11 volumes were TBA. 

What do we have today? 12.  By publication date:

2011 - 2

2012 - 3

2013 - 2

2014 - 1

2015 - 3

2016 - 0

2017 - 1

Per my Library publication dates, ONE volume in the last two years. For a $700 up front purchase. For me, I wish I could get out of this deal. I doubt I'll ever see the entire set completed.

The web page from 3/22/2011:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110322061424/http://www.evangelicalexegeticalcommentary.com/volumes/ 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 5:12 PM

Yikes... I didn't realize it has been that long. Time flies

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Daniel Radke | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 5:21 PM

Don Awalt:

Per my Library publication dates, ONE volume in the last two years. 

This is a big part of why I expressed my comments and gave my two questions: 1) Is anyone at Faithlife taking the production of this commentary set seriously? 2) Is any Faithlife employee actively in contact with authors prodding them along to finish their volumes?

I really hope the answer to both questions is not no one. If the answer is honestly no one or hardly anyone, can we know that? And can a remedy for it be made a priority?

Maybe this is asking too much, but will someone at Faithlife please give us some honest clarity as to the present level of involvement in getting this commentary set produced? I, and I'm sure many others, would love some clear specifics. We have invested so much for so little return (so far). I still have high hopes for the potential of this series, and I am asking all of these questions in that spirit. I love Faithlife and I want to see the EEC be the success that it should be.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Mar 8 2018 5:47 PM

The About link at the EEC web archive had this to say:

Most of the top commentary series from the past century have taken two or more decades to complete.”

That article mentions that FL chose “an ambitious publication schedule,” “an unprecedented publication timetable,” with the expectation that “Logos, a digital publication company was able to do what no print publisher could do anymore.”

Perhaps the expectation that many scholars would have already completed their EEC volume was... unrealistic?

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 9 2018 1:49 PM

Don Awalt:
I doubt I'll ever see the entire set completed.

Being 10 months past four score, I hope my grandson—who will inherit my Logos library—will live to see the completion of the set. Not sure how secure that hope is, as he is already 33 Stick out tongue

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 9 2018 4:23 PM

I have to wonder if the Amos, Jonah, Micah volume will be release at the end of the month.  I think it was originally scheduled for December 2017, pushed back to January 2018 then to March.

We'll see.

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 9 2018 5:39 PM

Is it worth buying the set on sale? Even though not many volumes released?

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Ronald Quick | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 9 2018 6:08 PM

I bought the set upon its initial release and even though the release dates have changed, I've not regretted my purchase. 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 9 2018 6:37 PM

I agree with Ronald. The volumes I own are excellent. I just wish updates were more forthcoming. I look forward to the next update next week

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