Kindle reconsidered?

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Kent Maitland | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Mar 12 2010 11:16 AM

I was curious to know if Logos had reconcidered developing for Kindle integration on account of the recent decision by Amazon to allow app developing? Thanks.

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Roger Feenstra | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 12 2010 9:32 PM

Kent Maitland:
Kindle integration

It probably defeats the power and beauty of Logos4, that is, indexing.  Kindle is a book reader, but Logos is a study tool.  But maybe Amazon has some other ideas?

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 12 2010 10:00 PM

At one point I was against having LOGOS books in Kindle - but with the new Kindle for PC application, I am changing my position.

There are books that I want to study, but there are books that are better read than studied.  For these, I would appreciate having them available on the Kindle.

Blessings,
Floyd

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 12 2010 11:49 PM

Floyd Johnson:

At one point I was against having LOGOS books in Kindle - but with the new Kindle for PC application, I am changing my position.

There are books that I want to study, but there are books that are better read than studied.  For these, I would appreciate having them available on the Kindle.

I agree...

Simply being able to export books from Logos to the Kindle would be a great benefit. It is great to be able to access my library on the iPhone, but the Kindle makes for a much better reading experience.

The ability to import/export notes would be fantastic... but perhaps I am being greedy...

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 7:33 AM

If they just made the site library.logos.com Kindle friendly that would be enough for me.

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 8:25 AM

Kevin A. Purcell:

If they just made the site library.logos.com Kindle friendly that would be enough for me.

 

Hi Kevin, unfortunately use of the web browser is unavailable to Kindle customers based overseas...! Sad I am based in the UK and, unfortunately, accessing library.logos.com via the Kindle is not an option...

Ho hum.

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Roger Feenstra | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 9:41 AM

Floyd Johnson:
There are books that I want to study, but there are books that are better read than studied.  For these, I would appreciate having them available on the Kindle.

Hi Floyd.  Wouldn't you have the best of both worlds with the iPad (or phone/touch for that matter)? 

Blessings,

Roger

P.S. You may own a Kindle, so in that case I can see your point. 

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 9:58 AM

Roger:

Hi Floyd.  Wouldn't you have the best of both worlds with the iPad (or phone/touch for that matter)?

Blessings,

Roger

P.S. You may own a Kindle, so in that case I can see your point.

I do not own an iPhone, iPad, or Kindle - and do not want to spend money on them (iPad, maybe, but prefer the tablet PC - of which I am on my third version, a netbook).  But I do have the free Kindle application on my PCs and Tablets.  This means I get the functionality of a Kindle without buying more technology.

By the way, my cell phone is a simple Tracfone - for which I do not need to spend $40-$60 or more per month.  Reading would not be fun on that device!

 

Blessings,
Floyd

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Roger Feenstra | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 10:04 AM

Floyd Johnson:
By the way, my cell phone is a simple Tracfone - for which I do not need to spend $40-$60 or more per month.  Reading would not be fun on that device!

Floyd,

Good point!

Roger

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Kent Maitland | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 10:20 AM

I think something that noone seems to be addressing is that the primary reason for preferring a Kindle over what else is available is because its a reading device par excellance. That is, its a device that's designed for people to read on first and foremost. A laptop, ipad, and even iphone are well and good for reading along with a buch of other bells and wistles, but in the process of settling for an 'eclectic' device, you lose the readability with screens that are a strain on the eyes. The Kindle is specifically designed for prolonged periods of operating while not being physically strenuous on the operator. The biggest objection I get to building a library through Logos is that people just don't like reading on computer screens. That objection could be easily overcome if Logos take the initiative to cater to a device that does not primarily operate like a computer (per se Wink )

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:09 AM

Kent Maitland:
That objection could be easily overcome if Logos take the initiative to cater to a device that does not primarily operate like a computer

Or at less cost, wait the year or two it will take for tablets, notebooks etc. al. to functionally merge. I see no long term survival for e-book readers as an independent device.

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Robert Kostenbauder | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:11 AM

I tend to agree. However why stop with the Kindle? There are other reading devices that are just as good, if is some cases not better, that are available and would extend Logos into a much wider audience. 

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Andy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:28 AM

MJ. Smith:

Kent Maitland:
That objection could be easily overcome if Logos take the initiative to cater to a device that does not primarily operate like a computer

Or at less cost, wait the year or two it will take for tablets, notebooks etc. al. to functionally merge. I see no long term survival for e-book readers as an independent device.

It seems to me that the advantage e-book readers have over tablets, notebooks, et al, is that they are able to closely reproduce the reading experience of a paper book. It seems that the iPad, in particular, is taking a stab at this same market, but without the ability to provide this same 'authentic' reading experience.

I really do see the attraction of a hybrid device that is able to do many things (I am tempted by the iPad myself), but, in order to make the e-book reader redundant they would need to be able to reproduce a similar experience to that provided by e-ink... Perhaps it is my technological ignorance, but I cannot envisage how this can be done on a tablet/notebook/iPad screen... I similarly struggle to imagine how a device like a tablet can reproduce the feel of a book, in terms of weight and balance, (in the way the Kindle device has) and still cover all the bases you would expect from such a device...

I accept this is no doubt a result of my technological ignorance (and lack of imagination!)...

I think you may be right eventually, but I suspect it is a long way down the line... I guess it hinges on how long-term is long-term...

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 11:31 AM

Andy Evans:
but I cannot envisage how this can be done on a tablet/notebook/iPad screen

It was only a short time ago that few could have imaged the phone-digital camera-music player-gps-web browser device that I carry in my purse. I would be very surprised if consolidation didn't happen quickly.

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Matthew C Jones | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 12:16 PM

I was patiently awaiting the day Logos would be available on the Kindle. Then when Logos announced the iPod app I started to seriously consider buying Apple. I checked out my 16yr old's iPod Touch but find it a little too small for my comfort. I then got excited about the iPad announcement. But with the prices starting at $499 I wonder if just using a netbook or tablet is better stewardship.

I bought an 8.9" Acer Aspire but my wife quickly inherited it because I find the screen still limits my reading speed. I've presently settled for a 14" HP that is small enough to carry and big enough to see. If I can get 3G connectivity added I could just skip the eBook readers altogether.

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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 12:38 PM

Kent Maitland:
I think something that noone seems to be addressing is that the primary reason for preferring a Kindle over what else is available is because its a reading device par excellance.

This is true right now. But I think that come April 3, I will be using my Kindle device a lot less. I ordered the iPad and will likely end up using it most of the time and give my wife the Kindle to use. The Kindle is great, but when i am laying in bed at night wanting to read, it is a little dark. I don't have a lamp there since the one we had died and haven't gotten a new one yet. So the iPad will likely be easier to read in that case. I will be able to read the books I have in Logos and the books available from Amazon via the Kindle app, the ibook store and the new Barnes and Noble app coming for the ipad.

One device to read them all! (Lord of the Rings allusion intended)

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 2:20 PM

Kevin, to solve your nighttime reading problem, wouldn't it be cheaper to fix your lamp than getting an iPad?

Just kidding :)

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Ron | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 2:46 PM

MJ. Smith:

Andy Evans:
but I cannot envisage how this can be done on a tablet/notebook/iPad screen

It was only a short time ago that few could have imaged the phone-digital camera-music player-gps-web browser device that I carry in my purse. I would be very surprised if consolidation didn't happen quickly.

 

Unfortunately, it is not a matter of simple consolidation.  E-ink technology is not able to handle color or active displays.  In order to consolidate iPad type functionality with Kindle type functionality would require two screens: an OLED or LCD and an E-ink display.

I find myself torn.  I'm tentatively excited about iPad and could see myself using it...BUT I'd much prefer an E-ink Logos reader of some type.

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Floyd Johnson | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 13 2010 3:10 PM

PeterLi:
Kevin, to solve your nighttime reading problem, wouldn't it be cheaper to fix your lamp than getting an iPad?

SHHHHH -- Don't tell his wife!

Blessings,
Floyd

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Jack Caviness | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Mar 14 2010 12:50 PM

Kent Maitland:
The biggest objection I get to building a library through Logos is that people just don't like reading on computer screens. That objection could be easily overcome if Logos take the initiative to cater to a device that does not primarily operate like a computer

However, it is the computer that makes Logos valuable. If you only want an ebook reader, PDF is much cheaper.

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