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Andrew | Forum Activity | Posted: Thu, Feb 9 2017 5:25 PM

I can't find the Discourse Features Visual Filter even within the Lexham English Bible (the sample used in Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Dataset Documentation).  Any suggestions?

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 9 2017 6:29 PM

Andrew,

Is indexing going on?

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 9 2017 7:02 PM

Mark Smith:

Andrew,

Is indexing going on?

No, I allowed indexing to finish and even restarted by Logos Bible Software.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 9 2017 7:09 PM

Can you verify that you have the following datasets (on your About Logos Bible Software screen):

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 9 2017 7:56 PM

Mark Smith:
Can you verify that you have the following datasets (on your About Logos Bible Software screen):

I don't see those datasets.  With what are they included?  I purchased "Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)"

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 9 2017 8:12 PM

Andrew:
With what are they included?  I purchased "Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)"

Logos Now and Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) include the Discourse Feature datasets (so Bundle went from 6 vols to 8).

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 9 2017 8:13 PM

They are included with the Logos Extended Feature Set or with a Logos Now subscription. Alternatively they can be purchased separately or as part of a discourse bundle.

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Feb 9 2017 8:46 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):

Andrew:
With what are they included?  I purchased "Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)"

Logos Now and Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) include the Discourse Feature datasets (so Bundle went from 6 vols to 8).

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Why does Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) include Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Dataset Documentation but not the actual Dataset?  That is strange, right?

Presumably Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) includes the datasets?  Is the dataset tied to Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: SBL Edition?  That seems to be the only title in Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) that isn't in Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) .

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 1:26 AM

Andrew:

Why does Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) include Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Dataset Documentation but not the actual Dataset?  That is strange, right?

Presumably Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) includes the datasets?

There are three datasets: Discourse GNT, Discourse GNT-SBL Edn. & Discourse Hebrew OT. These allow searching of your Greek & Hebrew bibles, and Reverse Interlinear bibles for Discourse features + presentation of Greek Discourse VF and Hebrew Discourse VF. Neither of the above products contain the datasets; the GNT resources highlight the features and there is no Hebrew OT!

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 7:43 AM

Dave Hooton:

Andrew:

Presumably Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) includes the datasets?

Neither of the above products contain the datasets; the GNT resources highlight the features...

Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) doesn't include the NT discourse datasets?

Dave Hooton:
...and there is no Hebrew OT!

I realize the Greek bundles don't include the Hebrew OT nor the OT discourse datasets.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 8:22 AM

Andrew:

Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) doesn't include the NT discourse datasets?

Yes, that one is just the datasets.

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 8:25 AM

Mark Smith:

Andrew:

Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) doesn't include the NT discourse datasets?

Yes, that one is just the datasets.

And:

  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Glossary
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Introduction
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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 8:38 AM

Andrew:

And:

  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Glossary
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Introduction

The product page isn't too clear. At the bottom of the page I find:

which is a bit different than what is written earlier (the part you quoted). There's nothing about the Lexham Greek New Testament or the SBL edition. I think it's safe to assume those two are included (there are write-ups on the page).

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 11:57 AM

Mark Smith:
The product page isn't too clear.

If the datasets are included I would expect the 3x documentation resources and my previous assessment could be wrong. Faithlife need to clarify the descriptions.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Feb 10 2017 12:49 PM

The unfortunate thing about the two specific datasets is that they don't appear to have product pages.

You can't hover their descriptions and determine what bundles they're included in, besides the ones we know about -- Logos Now and the Extended Feature Set.

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Feb 11 2017 6:48 AM

Sorry for all the product confusion. Thanks for posting about it.

I mentioned the issues in a Logos.com thread. Thankful that the product page descriptions/details can be resolved soon.

In the meantime, you could return the bundle you bought which didn't contain the discourse dataset(s), or rent (Logos Now) or buy (Extended Feature Set, or) a different bundle which does contain the discourse datasets.

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 13 2017 1:44 PM

Andrew:

Mark Smith:

Andrew:

Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Datasets (4 vols.) doesn't include the NT discourse datasets?

Yes, that one is just the datasets.

And:

  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: SBL Edition
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Glossary
  • Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament: Introduction

I am open to correction and may be wrong in my understanding. But I believe the old set (6 vols. or 7 vols.) was a collection of  RESOURCES that could be opened in Logos in a separate panel. I believe in L7 and LNOW they have integrated the DATASETS into the Reverse Interlinear coding so that it becomes a visual filter that can be turned on/off within Reverse Interlinear tagged resources. I originally bought the 7 vol. RESOURCE set back in 2011, but the visual filter "Discourse Features (Greek)" and "Discourse Features (Hebrew)" did not appear in my visual filter drop-down until I subscribed to Logos Now in Nov 2016.

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 13 2017 1:50 PM

Andrew:

Mark Smith:
Can you verify that you have the following datasets (on your About Logos Bible Software screen):

I don't see those datasets.  With what are they included?  I purchased "Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.)"

The newer collection https://www.logos.com/product/81254/lexham-discourse-bible is DEEPLY discounted for those who purchased the 6 vol.

 

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Allan Fletchall | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 13 2017 3:35 PM

I bought the bundle in 2011/2012 my cost for the new collection was 21.99. 

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Andrew | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 13 2017 3:45 PM

Allan Fletchall:

I bought the bundle in 2011, my cost for the new collection was 21.99. 

Which bundle?  I purchased Lexham Discourse Greek New Testament Bundle (6 vols.) and my dynamic price for the Lexham Discourse Bible (8 vols.) is $104.99 USD.

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