Updating SSD to larger SSD ? Logos on separate Disk Partition?

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Michael Wert | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Feb 26 2017 2:59 PM

When I updated my HDD a few years ago to SSD I was very impressed with the speed of the computer and Logos.  Now after all the Logos updating and my SSD becoming fuller I am needing to up-size, so I am going to double the SSD size.  (I have a Samsung 850 Pro 120G, buying same just increasing the size 240G.)

File folder size says 59% of my hard drive is in "Users" where the Logos program is found, and Logos is 87.29% of that.  Microsoft is only 1/3 of that for my "Whole computer" @ 22%.

Now, I am going to clone by current drive to the new hard drive.

Would it be better to erase Logos and reinstall new? (even if in the same directory)

Would it be better to reinstall on a separate partition? (I know this maybe old HDD talk) but with all the updates and rebuilding of these indexes (I keep thinking of all the bits of this file all over the place) to start "new" or more organized, ie contiguous files?

Slightly off topic question maybe: when these files are cloned to another SSD are they or not optimized or made contiguous?

I will be cleaning up my current hard drive before cloning it.

Opinions needed and suggestion appreciated for the above.  (Will be updating 3/3/17)

Thanks,  Mike

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Feb 26 2017 5:26 PM

For a 240GB drive in today's environment (SSD or HDD), I would not partition it UNLESS you would do so for organizational purposes. Cloning should be fine using either an included program or something like Partition Wizard. Fragmentation is generally not an issue with SSDs and actually not recommended. Further thoughts on partitioning; If you have a large drive of 1TB or greater, I would partition it for organizational purposes only.

Hope this helps you a little.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 27 2017 12:32 AM

OMykeO:
Would it be better to reinstall on a separate partition? (I know this maybe old HDD talk) but with all the updates and rebuilding of these indexes (I keep thinking of all the bits of this file all over the place) to start "new" or more organized, ie contiguous files?

With an SSD access to data anywhere on the drive is not an issue, but data storage has to be optimised to even the writes to individual blocks of flash memory for long life and reliability. So data is not 'contiguous' and you should never defragment an SSD. But partitioning can maximise performance/life if you only use say 220 GB of the total 240 GB, as the extra 20 GB will be used to minimise "wear" on individual blocks of your 220 GB.

OMykeO:
when these files are cloned to another SSD are they or not optimized or made contiguous?

Cloning tools will 'align' the data on the SSD so that it starts on a pre-determined boundary for data access. All other optimisation is done by the SSD controller (and 'contiguous' isn't part of its vocabulary!).

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Michael Wert | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Feb 27 2017 5:43 PM

So...., nothing matters, just clone the drive and be done with it.

Mike

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 28 2017 12:48 PM

OMykeO:

So...., nothing matters, just clone the drive and be done with it.

Mike

Yes, basically! Don't forget to download the manufacturer's SSD tool box as this will optimise system and drive settings on your computer. Then hide/remove your tool for defragmenting.

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Brandyn Whittington | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 28 2017 2:04 PM

Hey Myke! I wanted to add a bit of information here when it comes to operating Logos after this. While it's possible to run and operate Logos after a clone, you will typically want to do a full reinstall with the new installation path to prevent any strange occurrences in the future.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 28 2017 2:16 PM

Brandyn Whittington:

Hey Myke! I wanted to add a bit of information here when it comes to operating Logos after this. While it's possible to run and operate Logos after a clone, you will typically want to do a full reinstall with the new installation path to prevent any strange occurrences in the future.

Greetings Brandyn; Wouldn't method 2 as described here https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers work in this case? It would save a lot of time in re-downloading and indexing. Has the procedures changed since Logos 7?

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Brandyn Whittington | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 28 2017 2:24 PM

I can happily say that the procedure has not changed, so method 2 in your case should yield the best results. Installing Logos and just restoring your back ups should also overcome any registry issues you might encounter later on as well. Once it's all said and done, you may want to do a redundant "Update Now" with the software, after the backups and everything are restored in case anything is missed.

I do also want to mention that as the page states, this process isn't directly supported by us as a number of things may still go wrong (resources not updated correctly, resources being corrupted in the cloning process, among others), so if trouble is encountered the help we can offer is unfortunately limited. That does however not restrict me from offering some friendly advice!

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Michael Wert | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 28 2017 3:59 PM

Dave Hooton:
Yes, basically! Don't forget to download the manufacturer's SSD tool box as this will optimise system and drive settings on your computer. Then hide/remove your tool for defragmenting.

already done and waiting..  thanks 

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Michael Wert | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 28 2017 4:01 PM

Brandyn Whittington:
I do also want to mention that as the page states, this process isn't directly supported by us as a number of things may still go wrong (resources not updated correctly, resources being corrupted in the cloning process, among others), so if trouble is encountered the help we can offer is unfortunately limited. That does however not restrict me from offering some friendly advice!

I have done this may times and it works wonderfully!  I am having an awful time just wanting to put it in a separate hard drive.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Feb 28 2017 4:02 PM

Brandyn Whittington:

I can happily say that the procedure has not changed, so method 2 in your case should yield the best results. Installing Logos and just restoring your back ups should also overcome any registry issues you might encounter later on as well. Once it's all said and done, you may want to do a redundant "Update Now" with the software, after the backups and everything are restored in case anything is missed.

I do also want to mention that as the page states, this process isn't directly supported by us as a number of things may still go wrong (resources not updated correctly, resources being corrupted in the cloning process, among others), so if trouble is encountered the help we can offer is unfortunately limited. That does however not restrict me from offering some friendly advice!

Thanks Brandyn; I'm just trying to save OMykeO some time and the test of patience. Smile

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