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aboutthelord | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Jul 3 2017 9:05 PM

I purchased Collectors in Logos 7. I am on the payment plan stretched as far as it will go. I did my research on what people like and what i may want in my library one day. It was so difficult to just go with Platinum and slowly add on stuff (especially considering the prices). It seems to me that adding as much as i can up front will save me money. I am a non-denominational with a Baptist up-bringing (and a dash of Pentecostal, just a dash) and I am not a Paid minister... I just love reading the Word and i want to have many resources at my disposal. I really don't even know how much i need, AYBC, ICC, Hermeneia, Word Biblical, NAC, NICOT/NICNT, etc. (the last 3 i don't have yet) All I know is that I want to be more knowledgeable about Biblical truth and be able to teach and research when i am asked something i don't know or understand. I can make these payments but I don't know if I should have went this far up... 

So basically I feel I should have just went with Platinum with no additions and be happy. I am not a scholar or Ph.D ( I have an Associates in Communications Electronics and Work on F-15 Radar), and i really don't understand why scholars need one resource and us laypeople need more "watered down" tools (at least it seems that way if you read all of the Forums about who should buy which package...) According to all the reviewers, I should buy Bronze or Gold...

Any constructive criticism, I have til the 19th of July to change my base package.... 

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 3 2017 10:09 PM

It all depends on what you're going to be doing. If you're not a student, professor, scholar, or minister I struggle to see why you need Collector's. And there will always be those additional resources that you'll want that aren't in any base packages (not even Collector's) so you'll probably end up spending more money regardless. Logos is really good at getting folks to spend money Smile.

If you're going to be doing serious bible study on a regular basis (like at least several times a week if not daily), you want a package with good reference resources and commentaries. This means you should start at least at Gold. I personally think the Platinum packages are the best value, they are the best balance of good resources without too much of an outlandish price. If you can afford the payments for Collector's then Platinum should be no problem for you. I think you'll be really happy with a Platinum package. That's where I started with Logos 6 and had no regrets.

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aboutthelord | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 1:40 AM

Well one cool thing about Collectors right now is that I will be getting $987.00 in store credit... and things like AYBC, ICC, Erdmans (309 vol.), and TDOT caught my attention. Now I am sure there are more things I am not mentioning in Collectors that some of you would suggest for me down the road anyway. If there are things in Collectors that I should get one day and they add up to $7k (considering the $1k in store credit from purchasing Collectors and the $1.9k for Platinum), then Collectors would come with a bit of free stuff in the end. I will admit that however I can afford it right now, but that may not be the case a year from now. So I am a little nervous and trufully hoping I can pull it off, but not sure if I should try. Out of all the millionaires that I know, I don't think that they would support me on this :)

i also bought the extended feature set for $100 more, normally it is like $300+ more. So what resources do I need to do good study? My favorite things about Logos is comparing texts to other texts, cross referencing, interactives,  Bible sense, and just the standard reasons anyone would love Logos. One that thing that drives me crazy about Logos, is when it suggests something that I don't have in my library. That still happens in Collectors and it is annoying!!! My struggle is that if I am going to be advised to get some of these expensive resources down the road and they total that $7k that I referred to, then I will be upset with myself.  On the flip side, why do I feel that I need these expensive resources? I would say it is because I hear what people talk about on here...

So if I got Platinum instead, what would you add?

NAC? WBC? etc.

Please tell me all that you think I would need outside of Platinum, if Anything...

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 6:42 AM

If I had to make this decision in your position, I would think of it like this:  I would want two really good commentary sets that would survey the scholarly consensus and major arguments, making it unnecessary to own EVERY commentary set.  I would also make sure that I own sets across the theological spectrum, from more "critical" to more "conservative."  Platinum already has some great sets with Hermeneia, Tyndale, NIGTC, and Pillar, so I could be happy with that; however, I would likely want to add NICOT/NT (30% off right now) and possibly WBC.  That would put you at Platinum-$1292 + NICOT/NT-$1305.49 + WBC-1199.99 = $3797.48, which is less than half of what you are paying now.  You could afford to throw in some extra resources of interest and still be close to half the cost.

Also remember that if you find something you like, look on the right side of the page to see what collections the resource you are looking at might be bundled with, as it is often the case that you get a better deal.  For instance, I bought the highest level of Anglican when it first included the ICC some years ago for less than the ICC by itself.

The last thing would be to ask yourself what Collector's Edition has that you can't live without.  What are your areas of interest?  If you only want to understand passages better, then commentaries would be helpful, or if you like to study topics you might want to invest in theological dictionaries like the IVP Black dictionaries, Anchor Bible, and Dictionary of Deities and Demons in the Bible.  There are also several resource sets geared toward background outside of the dictionaries which might be helpful.

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Erwin Stull, Sr. | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 7:13 AM

One thing that I don't see considered in your 1st post, is your upgrades. Most likely, you will want to upgrade to the latest version when it is released. By going with a lower package (which is more than enough in my opinion) you'll leave yourself some room (financially) for expansion. Payment plan after payment plan will add up (if you let it) to the point that the blessing will almost be a curse.

BTW: I study extensively every day except Sunday (too much going on at church on Sunday) with L7 Silver and I don't feel limited. I came from the late L3 days and have accumulated a lot of resources, so I guess my library would be equivalent to Platinum. My mouth once watered for Collectors, but to be honest, there would be so many resources that I wouldn't know what to do with at this point. My formal Biblical education is similar to yours at this time.

One thing that I find a blessing with the Logos Platform (and the company) is that it has met me where I was in my walk, and I'm confident that it will meet me where the Lord is taking me.

Be blessed in the LORD.

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aboutthelord | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 7:47 AM

I appreciate all these responses! This is really a tough decision! I Love the Lord and His Words! There are just so many things out there that are designed to aid in study, and some things that may be counter productive to my study. I don't fully know where any of these guys are in their spiritual walk when they are interpreting scripture? Is it truly spirit led or is the financial side of publishing a commentary set making their mouths water. I have to rely on spirit lead people to help me pick these commentators based on your experiences. I have spent so much already in recording equipment (video/audio) that I may be stretched to limit. I can assure you that if had not done that then this would be super easy, but it is somewhat essential for my video/YouTube ministry. I want to be creative and reach people that spend lots of time on YouTube and/or don't attend a fellowship of any kind. The concept of being paid for ministry has never been a part of my ministry. So this gets expensive quick!

Blessed Be Your Name O God!

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:04 AM

For what you describe, Word commentary, AYBD, and a Baptist oriented commentary is all you 'need'. The rest depends on your personal interests.

I personally don't see the distinction of 'scholarly' and 'not'. I think it's more an issue of accessibilty, and Logos is very good at that (wear out your right-middle finger on your mouse).

If you're fluent in F-15 radar, etc, then I'd bet patience might be the key. You'll find a little curiousity leads to more curiousity, and soon, your Collectors was a really good buy. That was my path. And years back, the Logos CEO said that was a goal for Logos ... ease of growth for non-specialists.


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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:16 AM

Kudos to you for making an investment to learn more about the Word!! I figure money spent on this is never a waste.  You may not be a "paid minister", but I am sure the Lord will/has brought you ministry opportunity.

All things considered, if you plan on learning the software and putting time into understanding what it does, then you will get your $$ worth.  I know pastors that are in full-time ministry that have spent money on logos, didn't put the effort into learning the software, and it's just sitting taking space.  So a serious investment should require serious effort to learn (there's forums with plenty of links)  

aboutthelord:
I did my research on what people like and what i may want in my library one day.

aboutthelord:
So basically I feel I should have just went with Platinum with no additions and be happy.

Maybe the questions to ask are what specific items in your research made you feel the need for Collectors?  And then, what volumes do you wish you had that are not a part of the Base Packages.  From there, you can see if you could have maximized your dollars better.

As suggested earlier, piecing things together is not a bad idea. I have Platinum (with several other Denominational packages that I filled in gaps with Dynamic pricing) and am quite happy.  However, I have made additional purchases (WBC recently had a killer sale), some NICOT/NT volumes, and the IVP Dictionaries (which are in Collectors) that I have benefitted from.    

I decide against Diamond & Portfolio because there was just not enough that was useful to me to counterbalance what I wanted in Diamond for the money, and it would be more cost effective to get some bundles with only what I wanted instead. Collectors has been outside my $$ Range so far - so piecing the Denominational Packages was much better.

Just searching the forum, it sounds like you've noticed the regular names that pop up as favorites, so you may already have your answers, but I'm sure the Forum Pros would be happy to offer their suggestions again.

Ultimately, it's not a waste if you use it!

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aboutthelord | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:17 AM

So you saying I should stick with it? Or downgrade? I am taking votes

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:24 AM

Denise:
You'll find a little curiousity leads to more curiousity, and soon, your Collectors was a really good buy. That was my path. And years back, the Logos CEO said that was a goal for Logos ... ease of growth for non-specialists.

Yes

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Joseph Turner | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:25 AM

aboutthelord:

So you saying I should stick with it? Or downgrade? I am taking votes

You really have to answer the questions first before anyone could even begin to help you answer that question.

1.  What, if anything, is in Collector's that you cannot live without?

2.  What resources or types of resources can you put your finger (or mouse) on and say that they are must haves?

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matt wilkes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:32 AM

Joseph Turner:

aboutthelord:

So you saying I should stick with it? Or downgrade? I am taking votes

You really have to answer the questions first before anyone could even begin to help you answer that question.

1.  What, if anything, is in Collector's that you cannot live without?

2.  What resources or types of resources can you put your finger (or mouse) on and say that they are must haves?

I really don't know but look at this...

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matt wilkes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:37 AM

so I just noticed some of these are in Diamond... so kinda lost my point here.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:42 AM

matt wilkes:
I really don't know but look at this...

As a previous poster mentioned, the AYBC and ICC are bundled in other libraries. Instead of spending $3400 for them individually, you can purchase a library that they're bundled in for less than that (and it would come with hundreds of additional books as well).

When you buy something in a library, it's generally discounted about 95% off regular price. You'd be getting AYBC and ICC for a few dollars, instead of paying thousands just for those two sets.

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matt wilkes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:43 AM

It is hard to hear all you guys and gals talking about how awesome, AYB, ICC, BDAG/HALOT, NICOT/NICNT, Eerdmans, WBC, NAC... etc.

I feel like i need it all! There is a lot of "Fluff" in Collectors, but if i bought (some) of the things I want, then see the cart total? 

Also I can use my $1k credit to fill in some more holes.. like Baptist Platinum for $1k or Baptist Gold for $700 and maybe NAC... So for $10k it will be sweetness!

but like has been said already, could be a curse...

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:47 AM

aboutthelord:

So you saying I should stick with it? Or downgrade? I am taking votes

If you're having buyers remorse (I often do), then pull the Collectors until you're happy. I don't see any of the smaller packages as alternatives per se. Each misses a key component you'll want eventually.  The lower-end ones pick up the features, which you'll enjoy.  Depends on your moola.

A few years back at Home Depot, they had a good buy on some electronic tool sets. I bought it against my better-half's advice. Didn't know how to use more than the drill. Years later, I've used them all, and know more than our repairmen. Tools allow learning.


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matt wilkes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:50 AM

PetahChristian:

As a previous poster mentioned, the AYBC and ICC are bundled in other libraries. Instead of spending $3400 for them individually, you can purchase a library that they're bundled in for less than that (and it would come with hundreds of additional books as well).

It looks like lutheran portfolio has AYBC and ICC, so that is a little cheaper... I need to look at Lutheran, honestly don't even fully know what Lutheran is (embarrassing). I would assume Martin Luther is involved somehow...

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matt wilkes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 8:55 AM

Denise:
If you're having buyers remorse (I often do), then pull the Collectors until you're happy. I don't see any of the smaller packages as alternatives per se. Each misses a key component you'll want eventually.  The lower-end ones pick up the features, which you'll enjoy.  Depends on your moola.

Sad thing is, now that I have entertained the idea Collectors, I may have a hard time buying any package! It was funny when i was on the phone with Mike at Logos. I said (kinda jokingly) I am between Bronze and Collectors. That got a nice laugh out of him! I told him go big or go home! Looks i won't be able to afford a home ;)

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aboutthelord | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 9:01 AM

Ok so I just switched accounts on accident... that was still me. I just went over to my empty account to look at non-dynamic prices.

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Richard Villanueva | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jul 4 2017 9:05 AM

aboutthelord:
I just went over to my empty account to look at non-dynamic prices.

I stay logged in to my account on Safari and use Chrome to check on the prices w/o Academic or Dynamic Pricing.

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