Bible Study Magazine

Yes, me too!

Just make it available in the Logos iPhone/iPad app.

Jonathan West said:

Not sure if this is the right place to make this suggestion, but I saw no "Contact Us" link on the BSM web site, so here goes.

What about offering online subscriptions? For non-US/Canada residents, the postage cost for the magazine makes it prohibitively expensive. I for one would like to be able to subscribe (initially on a month by month basis) and read it online.

This has been asked and even begged for in the past. Bob's answer was that at some point the archives will be available in Logos, but the main goal of the magazine is to be a print publication.

Matthew C Jones said:

Yes Bob did say that. But it would still be nice if it's second goal would be availability to a worldwide readership. I remember when Commentary on the Psalms by E.W. Hengstenberg (3 Vols.) http://www.logos.com/products/details/5999 was only available by CD and all our foreign users would get stuck with high shipping, customs and wait times. That eventually worked out as a downloadable. If everybody keeps asking, BobP just may resopond favorably to the appeal. Or maybe there is a publishing domain issue involved.

What would work is what some other magazine publishers do, and that is to contract printing in different regions of the globe, in order to make it available for the same approximate cost everywhere.

Matthew C Jones said:

That would certainly work.  But I would still like it in my Logos library. I would even pay a higher subscription rate (shock! ) to have both formats.

I was hoping that the archives would come out yearly, but there has been no word as of yet.

Perhaps with all the growth, and the L4 project, electronic publication has been delayed.

Maybe the first year will come soon...[8-|]

Jonathan West said:

Having it in Logos as a periodic archive isn't the point - a monthly (glossy) magazine is just that and should be available (monthly) for casual or serious reading when it comes out. I would guess it is not the kind of publication that would really benefit from being in Logos - i.e. it would not be a serious component of study

I want it bi-monthly on my "glossy" home page! And I do find several articles each issue that I consider deeper study. (The Catholic 10 Commandments, for instance.) or (Bible revisions in the OT text.)

I would like to subscribe to a bible study magazine, but unless it's electronic, I'm not interested.  I've unsubscribed from a magazine in the past when it went dual format (from just being electronic) even though the price actually dropped, because I did not want the hard copy.  I have enough stuff and would prefer less paper being used in this world.  If anyone knows of an electronic bible study magazine, I'd be interested to hear.  I wouldn't mind how regular it is (though weekly would probably be a waste for me).  I don't expect electronic to be cheaper as a product (just the shipping of course!). And I know that producing a PDF is trivial these days.  So it is obviously a decision not based on logistics or complexities.  Having it in Logos would be cool if it were hyper-linked and indexed, but this is not essential for me.

So yeah, one more vote for an electronic-only subscription option.  Until then, not interested

Matthew C Jones said:

I want it bi-monthly on my "glossy" home page! And I do find several articles each issue that I consider deeper study. (The Catholic 10 Commandments, for instance.) or (Bible revisions in the OT text.)

Andy Evans said:

This would be a great option... postage to the UK would exceed the cost of the magazine itself...Or, better still, release a version which is readable from within Logos.

[Y] x 2!   Shipping to New Zealand, also an issue (no pun intended). Having it appear both on the homepage (hence within L4) and on the iPhone, would be hugely advantageous. This would tip the scales and have me ignore the currency difference (not in my favor) and subscribe to something I feel I am missing out on which would be of certain benefit.

Kevin A. Purcell said:

I find that it is a delicious irony that a company that thrives with publishers being willing to allow their hard copy books and publications be made available for electronic distribution will not electronically distribute their own content even though they have been told it would increase their bottom line subscriber totals.

I would subscribe if there was an online option but I dont have a subscription because it serves me no purpose to have an offline magazine that cannot be downloaded and stored either in a pdf or in the Logos program itself.

In fact, though this would cost Logos, it actually makes sense (to me) that the content be available for free on the home page. 

Mark

Kevin A. Purcell said:

I find that it is a delicious irony that a company that thrives with publishers being willing to allow their hard copy books and publications be made available for electronic distribution will not electronically distribute their own content even though they have been told it would increase their bottom line subscriber totals.

Now available in Logos (past issues): http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6305

Paul Golder said:

Todd Phillips said:

Now available in Logos (past issues): http://www.logos.com/products/prepub/details/6305

 

I believe this is a bound printed book.

 

Skikes! You're right! and I can't read.

Great idea Andy, to add it to the program.

I would have subscribed to BSM gladly had it included a license for the Logos digital copies once they were made available (since they indicated they were going to make them available electronically at a later date).  I didn't want to end up paying for them twice.  Besides this, there was the complication of living in Central Asia and getting the magazines to me there in a reliable way...  So, I'm waiting for the Logos versions, even if it takes 5-10 years.

Still no progress as far as I can see towards an electronic edition.

[:(]

My house is bulging at the seams and  we need to downsize. The last thing I need is more paper magazines. Also extra postage to the UK presumably ups the price. It isn't that I do not prefer reading real books and magazines it is just the space they take up.

I've been a magazine junkie for years, but now only have two left that are print because they're not available digitally... BSM and another. All the rest are digital and many are from different countries which is much cheaper to buy and faster to receive.

The other print magazine I'm still getting is definitely not being renewed. Still debating BSM while I have time left on my subscription.

It's a shame it's not available digitally through a site like Zinio or the Apple Newsstand, or not available through Logos itself. Some of the studies of certain books would be a wonderful resource to draw on when I'm in Logos and getting my list of available resources for a given book. (Some magazines print an annual index which is nice for having a list of past articles without having to go through each magazine individually.)

This is something where I'll have to accept that I'm completely in the dark about what must be a significant marketing advantage for Logos to do it this way. Because from a user point of view print-only makes no sense to me considering what Logos is all about in terms of digital offerings.

I've resigned myself to the fact that I will not likely get what I want in this. Logos makes promises about things and never comes through - see the list of features in older versions of Logos 3 that still aren't in Logos 4/5.

So BSM is now my toilet reader. The only place I actually read paper content anymore for fear of getting my electronics wet.

TMI?

sorry for the types.  I hate auto correct and could not go back and edit the errors.

Here are a few points to consider:

• Bob started the print magazine in order to reach a specific demographic.
• He succeeded with a print periodical at a time when most others were going out of business.
• A lager part of this success was in obtaining subscribers that would have normally forgone a print publication and instead would have likely subscribed an electronic one.
• So in order to keep reaching this goal demographic, and to keep the print publication viable for this goal, he must not allow it to be produced electronically until such a time that the likely electronic subscribers would not cancel their print subscription.

alabama24 said:

Paul Golder said:

he must not allow it to be produced electronically until such a time that the likely electronic subscribers would not cancel their print subscription

Agreed… but, keep it print and add digital to it too. 

Upon which action I'm sure we would never hear: "Why am I paying to support the print edition of the magazine when I don't want it !!!???"

At least not more than several thousand times...[;)]

Paul Golder said:

Upon which action I'm sure we would never hear: "Why am I paying to support the print edition of the magazine when I don't want it !!!???"

At least not more than several thousand times...

Paul Golder said:

Charlene said:

Because we don't want it! Thus sales are going down with "previous customers.

I'm sure that Bob and John are keeping close track of the numbers, and while there has been a good number of those who have mentioned canceling their subscription the magazine does have a circulation of 15,000, so any operation changes would likely require a seismic shift in numbers.

That is an interesting idea, sort of an "Adopt a Subscription" program.

I would think that the only caveat would be for Logos to state implicitly that under no circumstances will the electronic copy ever be available without a subscription to the printed version.

But then there is the consideration of our overseas friends, who now pay 2 or 3 times the subscription price for shipping...

There is also the church literature rack, that's 350,000 in the US alone...