Any thoughts why this book isn't available for purchase?
https://www.logos.com/product/8075/baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament-john
Not showing in the collection of BECNT either- strange?
The BECNT was available as an 18 volume set. It appears John has been removed.
I wonder if the John volume quietly got caught up in the plagiarism storm which swept through a while back due to a lack of citations?
And it's no longer listed at the publisher's website:
http://www.bakerpublishinggroup.com/series/baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament
It’s in the collection, check again: https://www.logos.com/product/55025/the-baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament#005
Maybe not available for individual purchase, but it’s there.
DAL
It’s in the collection, check again: https://www.logos.com/product/55025/the-baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament#005 Maybe not available for individual purchase, but it’s there. DAL
Nevermind! There are two links: 1 with a 17 Volume set (no John) and 2 with the 18 Volume set but no option to purchase.
That’s really messed up! I thought this volume was way better than Carson’s.
Due to misattribution issues, Baker has taken the volume out of print and asked us to remove it from the site. Here is their statement:
2804.OP Notification.pdf
I'm sorry that this didn't get posted earlier. Let me know if you have any questions.
Here is their statement: 2804.OP Notification.pdf
Here is their statement:
Well, there you go DAL, the author admitted to overusing Carson's material and that Carson was his mentor. So the student has not yet become the teacher...
Of course, if you are truly comparing with Carson's, then the difference is genuinely the author's - and if that material is what you liked better, then your opinion stands. But if the material you thought was the author's turns out to be Carson's, then it means Carson's is still better.
Just thinking out loud.
This is just unfortunate, on all sorts of levels. I'm glad that these plagiarism issues are being addressed head on, but it's sad that it was necessary. Let's hope that everyone ups their game so that these sorts of problems can be avoided in the future.
Here is their statement: 2804.OP Notification.pdf Well, there you go DAL, the author admitted to overusing Carson's material and that Carson was his mentor. So the student has not yet become the teacher... Of course, if you are truly comparing with Carson's, then the difference is genuinely the author's - and if that material is what you liked better, then your opinion stands. But if the material you thought was the author's turns out to be Carson's, then it means Carson's is still better. Just thinking out loud.
I loved the fact Andreas gave options on the wine Jesus made, whereas Carson claims it was straight alcoholic wine. I don’t believe Jesus did such a thing. Anyway, Köstenberger says he’ll write an updated edition.
What’s funny is that Baker doesn’t say anything about providing a refund for those who have purchased a copy of this work. 😁 DAL
What’s funny is that Baker doesn’t say anything about providing a refund for those who have purchased a copy of this work. 😁
I just got off the phone with Andreas, was a very helpful conversation. He pointed me to his personal statement on the matter here:
https://www.biblicalfoundations.org/letter-dr-kostenberger/
The source of the problem in both books is the notes a teaching assistant made on Carson's Pillar volume nearly 20 years ago. This was the source of the subsequent attribution problems since the same notes were used for subsequent projects. This explains why one of Carson's commentaries is attributed consistently and other is not. So far as I know, the problem is restricted to that one source. Kostenberger is ultimately responsible, as he has stated. But things came to light as he was using the same set of notes for another project referenced here:
https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/statement-from-zondervan-academic-on-dr-andreas-kostenbergers-john-commentary/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FpQHu+%28Koinonia%29
Andreas is one of the most fastidious people I know, an Austrian economist. This is why the publishers are characterizing the problem as lack of attribution and not plagiarism. Both are formally the same, but only the latter has intent. It's a nuance, but an important one.
This is why the publishers are characterizing the problem as lack of attribution and not plagiarism. Both are formally the same, but only the latter has intent. It's a nuance, but an important one.
Thank you for that clarification. I will not be giving up the sources if the offer is given. I done that with O'Brien's works, and wish I had not, so I will not make that mistake again- ESPECIALLY knowing the nature of this one is a footnote error and not actual plagiarism. Would be nice if they simply make the correction and re-issue.
the publishers are characterizing the problem as lack of attribution and not plagiarism
It's about time. And it's also about time we stopped treating *unintentional* plagiarism/lack of attribution as a practical crime. Treating these types of mistakes the same way we treat intentional plagiarism minimizes the real problem and creates artificial culpability with unintentional errors.
lack of attribution and not plagiarism. Both are formally the same, but only the latter has intent
Unfortunately, your definition isn't followed by many (most) academic institutions. In a majority of policy statements I've read (and I've read quite a few, having served on an academic dishonesty committee), both are treated as plagiarism regardless of intent. And this is part of the problem about which I'm whining.
In any case, I truly hope the reputations of these scholars is not damaged by these kinds of errors.
Any thoughts why this book isn't available for purchase? https://www.logos.com/product/8075/baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament-john
It was temporarily removed by the publisher for "mistakes" that failed to properly credit D.A. Carson's Pillar commentary.
Any thoughts why this book isn't available for purchase? https://www.logos.com/product/8075/baker-exegetical-commentary-on-the-new-testament-john It was temporarily removed by the publisher for "mistakes" that failed to properly credit D.A. Carson's Pillar commentary.
So by temporarily removed you mean it will be back again? I would definitely hope so 👍
That would be great if they did that! I've seen too many times where they just cancel and never bring back which is sad because older resources reference them and you can never check back. e.g. O'Brien, Varner, etc
