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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 8 2017 12:24 PM

Can a category be added to Reading Status for Author Guides and will they always be a temporary license?

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Adam Borries (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 8 2017 2:00 PM

Beloved, this sounds like you are asking two different questions: 

Beloved:
Can a category be added to Reading Status for Author Guides

I'm sorry, I don't follow. I'm familiar with Reading Status in the library, but what do you mean by "adding a category" to Reading Status?

Beloved:
and will they always be a temporary license?

Author Guides have a temporary license at this time, because the only way to get them is with a Now membership. Future marketing plans for this product are still being determined.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 8 2017 2:08 PM

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

Beloved:
Can a category be added to Reading Status for Author Guides

I'm sorry, I don't follow. I'm familiar with Reading Status in the library, but what do you mean by "adding a category" to Reading Status?

If you add the Reading Status column to your library display, and you've read some of the resource, the status is displayed.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 8 2017 2:54 PM

Sean Boisen:

Adam Borries (Faithlife):

Beloved:
Can a category be added to Reading Status for Author Guides

I'm sorry, I don't follow. I'm familiar with Reading Status in the library, but what do you mean by "adding a category" to Reading Status?

If you add the Reading Status column to your library display, and you've read some of the resource, the status is displayed.

I'm sorry I have caused confusion, but Sean has identified the menu I was referring to I don't know what it is called, but this is where you can organize your library into columns of information Publisher, Last Update, Title, Author, etc. This is what I suggest we add an entry to for the Author Guide.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 8 2017 5:41 PM

Beloved:
I'm sorry I have caused confusion, but Sean has identified the menu I was referring to I don't know what it is called, but this is where you can organize your library into columns of information Publisher, Last Update, Title, Author, etc. This is what I suggest we add an entry to for the Author Guide.

The menu on the right side of the image (from right-clicking on the column headers) just controls which columns appear in the Library panel. The Martin Luther Author Guide is already a row in the Library display (as my image shows). So i still don't understand what you're suggesting: a new column?

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 9 2017 4:36 AM

Sean Boisen:
The menu on the right side of the image (from right-clicking on the column headers) just controls which columns appear in the Library panel. The Martin Luther Author Guide is already a row in the Library display (as my image shows). So i still don't understand what you're suggesting: a new column?

This menu with the check marks by the column headings as seen below, that appears upon right clicking the column references. I'm suggesting that Author Guides be a column reference as well that you're able to display/organize from this menu.

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Beloved:
I'm suggesting that Author Guides be a column reference as well that you're able to display/organize from this menu.

What would be displayed in this new "Author Guides" column for each row?

(You have 1 author guide and 14,000 other resources; would it be "Yes" in one row and blank in all the others? Or something else?)

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 9 2017 7:33 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):

Beloved:
I'm suggesting that Author Guides be a column reference as well that you're able to display/organize from this menu.

What would be displayed in this new "Author Guides" column for each row?

(You have 1 author guide and 14,000 other resources; would it be "Yes" in one row and blank in all the others? Or something else?)

Ideally Author Guide column would have Author Guide name(s) that reference a resource (so can sort Library by Author Guide, similar to Author sorting). Filtering Library by Author Guide should show relevant resources. Comparing Author:"Luther, Martin" with Author Guide found some resources in my Library that are not in Author Guide:

Also learned Martin Luther is included in many resource descriptions, which are not mentioned in Author Guide.

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Beloved Amodeo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 9 2017 9:25 AM

Bradley Grainger (Faithlife):
What would be displayed in this new "Author Guides" column for each row?

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Ideally Author Guide column would have Author Guide name(s) that reference a resource (so can sort Library by Author Guide, similar to Author sorting).

This is what I envisioned would be the case too. My suggestion looks to the future when we have many more Author Guides.

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Nov 9 2017 9:55 AM

It looks like you guys are thinking along similar lines as we are. There are already some discussions about implementing some new metadata that would accomplish this objective, but would be more broadly useful than just for Author Guides. Unfortunately, we don't yet have any idea when or if this will actually become available.

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Simon’s Brother | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 3 2018 5:40 AM

There are currently four author guides available: Luther, Edwards, Irenaeus & Warfield. It's approximately six months since we have seen any new guides.  Is there plans for more to come  or had this idea been shelved?

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 3 2018 9:26 PM

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There are currently four author guides available: Luther, Edwards, Irenaeus & Warfield. It's approximately six months since we have seen any new guides.  Is there plans for more to come  or had this idea been shelved?

I'm still hoping to make more Author Guides, but we've prioritized other work recently which has put Author Guides on the back burner.

We're always open to suggestions for

  • authors for which it would be valuable to have a Guide like these
  • any features that would improve Author Guides
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Simon’s Brother | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 3 2018 11:29 PM

Thanks Sean for the update. I think they are a valuable addition but understand the need to balance priorities. Hope time is good found to some more if them. Because there is only a small number they might get overlooked in our library or resources but realistically you will only be able to a small subset of authors.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 16 2019 11:19 AM

I just stumbled upon these "Author guides" in my library and was reminded how awesome they are.....I certainly hope Faithlife keeps producing these. They are a good example of what makes Logos unique.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 9:11 AM

Sean Boisen:

I'm still hoping to make more Author Guides, but we've prioritized other work recently which has put Author Guides on the back burner.

We're always open to suggestions for

  • authors for which it would be valuable to have a Guide like these
  • any features that would improve Author Guides

This is admittedly a bit old. Is Faithlife still interested in hearing feedback on these guides, or has the new improved Factbook replaced this?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 3:20 PM

There were author guides included in the Logos 9 packages that are still to be released.

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Ken McGuire | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Sep 12 2021 6:49 PM

Looking at the Logos 9 Feature Sets, it even looks like you are writing one of them, MJ...

I went over the Luther and Irenaeus guides since those are guides where I knew the them the best. Most of my comments will be about Luther...

Overview: Both are decent traditional overviews. That is not to say there are not some quibbles that can be made about them, but they do serve as a useful introduction to both figures. For an example of quibbles, Luther was technically not a Monk, but rather a Friar. That said, in his context it appears to have been quite common to describe Luther's order as Monks... While I do appreciate having an easy to read introduction like this, having some footnotes for the assertions would be nice.

Timeline: Getting the details of the dates for historical figures can be incredibly complicated. Some things are admittedly easy, but many are not. And what events should be included? For example, it is actually debated if Luther did actually post the 95 Theses on 31 October 1517, or if that was just an early legend. And the fact that Luther was in Electoral Saxony with a pending Election of a Holy Roman Emperor was probably pretty significant for the lack of early action against Luther. So while having a timeline like those provided is good, it would be much better if included links to some sources - or even a note saying what chronology you are using...

Social Network: This is actually pretty cool. In general, it is clear and well organized. But it seems to me an odd reading of the English Reformation to describe Henry VIII as playing a key role in the separation of church and state when it seems like he was insisting that Royal power was over the church. And much of historiography after the Nag Hammadi and related finds has generally argued that the Heresies have roots older than the figures Irenaeus mentions, with more recent scholars finding in Irenaeus Irenaeus's frustrations at how diverse these teachers are... So while these statements are useful to a point, like just about every summary, they are in danger of over simplifying.

Geography: It would be lovely if this had a link to a map. I like how in Irenaeus it both has the modern nation mentioned as well as that from the actual time period. I would like it if this could be added for Luther, since "Germany", "Austria" and "Italy" did not exist in Luther's time - at least in anything like the modern sense.

Biographical Resources: Two major criticisms.

1. The first thing I learned about text books or reference books is that when you mention them, the most important thing to mention is the author, not the name. But this listing just has the name of the resource with a date. The listing seems to be sorted by resource name, but this includes the articles "A", "An" and "The", which is not the way I was taught to do this.

2. When I look at most of this "Guide", I see it directed mostly at people who are not experts in the field and so need a bit of hand holding. But this section seems more like an exhaustive list of resources that were in the Logos system when the guide was written instead. This has two problems, namely not giving the reader a good place to start and also with the way Logos adds resources, giving a dated listing. I would much rather see a more modest listing written by an expert in the field with a link to a Logos query that can show what the user has in their library with advertising for other resources available in your store.

And a minor quibble. The order of the sections is different between our Luther and Irenaeus guides. If this is going to be a regular thing you offer, consistency in formatting would be good.

Notable Contributions: I like this, especially how it is linked to relevant passages from their works.The article on Irenaeus IMHO shows a Protestant bias by not mentioning his views on Mary or on Church Hierarchy.

Quotations: Some good quotes. I liked how when it was possible, you liked it to a datatype so that it will take you to a resource that has the quote. That said, the translation you use for the Luther quote on Idolatry is not exactly the standard translation - I certainly recognized it and your link will take you to more recent translations of it. But I question why you used that source for it...

Sermons: I like how when a sermon is in multiple resources, you generally group the sermons together with multiple links in each line. I do wish you had a bit more consistency about the order of these links though to the various different translations of the Church Postil.

Personal Letters: Here you are being selective - which in many ways I do appreciate. But there are some inconsistencies. The Cover letter to Archbishop Albrecht is listed as being to him and then the same letter is listed as to "Unknown" when it links to another resource - a resource that Anglicizes his name as "Albert". In general, I wish you would combine different translations of the same letter into one line like you generally did for the sermons.

Bibliography: The organization you have for this section looks like it designed for more modern writers. For Irenaeus, you have a useful listing of his works with estimated dates, both those we have as well as lost works. But for Luther you have no information on when he actually wrote anything. Instead you have dates for English translations. Could you maybe have some of the major writings at least listed by the date Luther actually wrote them? For both of these writers, it would be helpful if you listed translator and/or editor of the editions you list.

Subject Index: I have not worked with the indexes here enough to tell how useful they are in the real world. Both of these figures have been mined for centuries for quotes on topics - often without careful attention to context. And yet we ask this question because we care how these figures spoke about various issues and having a list like this saying where to look for where they talk about things. As I said, I have not spent much time seeing how useful your specific index is. I was not impressed with the link to Adv. Haer. 2.12 for Baptism, but the other references do look useful.

Sources: They are quite thin, especially for Irenaeus. But going to the Theopedia link gives a good example of introducing readers to what is actually debated about Irenaeus - some of which I complained about above.

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 13 2021 8:22 AM

Ken, thank you for this thoughtful reflection on Author Guides. We're still very interested in doing more, and MJ is correct that we have 4 outstanding ones from Logos 9 (the content has been ready for some time but production has been delayed, though as it happens I've just started working on that). 

Ken McGuire:
Timeline:  ...  So while having a timeline like those provided is good, it would be much better if included links to some sources - or even a note saying what chronology you are using...

Agreed that we could/should do a better job of citing sources for this information. 

Ken McGuire:
Social Network: This is actually pretty cool. In general, it is clear and well organized. ... So while these statements are useful to a point, like just about every summary, they are in danger of over simplifying.

The "glass half full" perspective is that we're providing helpful context through identifying important social relationships. But as you suggest, this is inherently a subjective process, and i'm not sure a "full glass" can even be defined. Note that one important (and opinionated) design feature of these introductory sections of Author Guides is brevity: these are meant to introduce users to an author and guide their exploration of the author's works, not provide comprehensive information. 

Ken McGuire:
Geography: It would be lovely if this had a link to a map.

Absolutely: however, creating maps like this currently requires too much effort for us to fit the scope of these resources. I hope we can improve this in the future. 

For Biographical Resources:

  • The author is typically displayed when you hover over a link to a resource, but maybe it would be better to include that as text. We'll also look into the sorting issues. 
  • Yes, it's our intention to provide an exhaustive list of Logos resources, in part because it's not always possible to do that with a search. I'm not sure we're in a good position to suggest which resources provide the best starting point, but that's worth further consideration. 

I won't enumerate responses to your other suggestions, most of which I'm in favor of, but we'll review these and see what we can improve. 

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PL | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 13 2021 8:41 AM

How do I find these in my library?

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 13 2021 9:22 AM

PL:

How do I find these in my library?

In your library you can use "series:faithlife author guides"

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