NA28 w/Critical Apparatus Hebrew Equivalent?

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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Posted: Fri, Dec 29 2017 11:05 AM

The NA28  with the critical apparatus seems like an outstanding resource. Is there an equivalent for the Hebrew Old Testament?

Alex

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 29 2017 11:22 AM

Alexander Fogassy:

equivalent for the Hebrew Old Testament?

https://www.logos.com/product/17645/biblia-hebraica-stuttgartensia-sesb-20-version-with-apparatus-and-wivu-introduction 

If you already own NA28 you should also check the different German Bible Society bundles that contain both BHS and NA28: 

https://www.logos.com/product/55088/stuttgart-scholarly-editions-core-bundle 

https://www.logos.com/product/55086/stuttgart-scholarly-editions-old-and-new-testament 

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HJ. van der Wal | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 29 2017 11:45 AM

I just remembered that there is a useful product guide that lists the different Hebrew Bible texts available in Logos:

https://www.logos.com/hebrew-texts-product-guide 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Dec 29 2017 1:45 PM

Adding to HJ and for more in-depth:

- Keep in mind the NA28 and UBS5 apparati approach the problem differently; indeed each apparatus picks and chooses by necessity.

- Logos has a NT apparatus PB file (free) from LaParola.net that is good, especially with the fathers.

- The BHS apparatus is kind of loosy-goosy; it does touch base on more significant varients. If you get lucky on Quinta (HJ's Logos' page), much better. But more often then not, running parallel using Gottingen often works.


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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 30 2017 6:52 AM

Denise,

Can you expound? My understanding is that Quinta is not out yet.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 30 2017 7:17 AM

The Quinta is already out in parts (fascicles). It promises a more extensive apparatus.

At the current rate of progression, it might see completion in 2020.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Dec 30 2017 7:55 AM

Adding to Lee, this page has a nice discussion: https://www.logos.com/resources/LLS_BHQCAPP/biblia-hebraica-quinta-apparatus-criticus 

The product page isn't accurate: https://www.logos.com/product/17823/bhq-with-critical-apparatus-including-minor-prophets-and-proverbs 

So far, they actually have Deu, Jdg, Ruth, Cant, Qoh, Lam, Esther, Ezr, Neh, plus the minor prophets.

I (personally) don't have much need for the histories. If they completed Jos, Isa and Jer, that'd be fine! Gen maybe. But pretty good so far,  The Logos formatting is pretty wild, but so it goes.


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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 31 2017 10:12 AM

Okay thank you. So the BHQ would have all the features of previous editions? I.e. morphology, etc. 

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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 31 2017 10:17 AM

and is there any competition with the BH series or is that pretty much the be-all end-all? 

I wonder if there is a resource that goes over the differences, philosophies behind different works, etc. I'm new to this field. 

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 31 2017 12:50 PM

Alexander Fogassy:

Okay thank you. So the BHQ would have all the features of previous editions? I.e. morphology, etc. 

BHQ doesn't include morphology (similarly NT editions with apparatus don't include morpholgy). The primary value is the apparatus.  'Previous editions' is pretty open; most work off of a very narrow manuscript base.

Alexander Fogassy:

and is there any competition with the BH series or is that pretty much the be-all end-all? 

I wonder if there is a resource that goes over the differences, philosophies behind different works, etc. I'm new to this field. 

Within Logos-land BHQ is as good as you get (apparatus). Of course, commentaries expand, and then if you're fluent in especially hebrew, you have another major world to work with.

Going back to your original query, and something decently close to your NA28 experience:

https://www.logos.com/product/17645/biblia-hebraica-stuttgartensia-sesb-20-version-with-apparatus-and-wivu-introduction 

But his big brother is much better, to include the LXX apparatus and BHQ.  It also has the latin (Vulgate) apparatus, which periodically is a clue.

https://www.logos.com/product/55084/stuttgart-scholarly-editions-old-testament 

The latter is dynamic priced, so getting the former, can lead to the latter. Though my own opinion, save your pennies up and get the latter. You'll learn much more, just in familiarity.


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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Dec 31 2017 3:36 PM

Alexander Fogassy:

I wonder if there is a resource that goes over the differences, philosophies behind different works, etc. I'm new to this field. 

Forgot to answer. That's a REALLY wide-ranging question. I know what you're wondering, but I've never seen it. Sort of an A to Z on how everything got here. Mss's, translations, morphs, differences, etc.

The best on the hebrew side:

https://www.amazon.com/Textual-Criticism-Hebrew-Bible-Emanuel/dp/0800626877/ It's quite affordable; not in Logos, and worth every penny. 

https://www.amazon.com/Textual-Criticism-Hebrew-Bible-English/dp/0800696646/ Its more expensive twin.

I don't know of something similar on the NT side. Lots (and lots) of little in-depth pieces, or broad-brush over-simplifications.


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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 1 2018 12:36 PM

Okay, great Denise that is all very helpful. 

What do you mean that there is "another world" for those skilled a biblical Hebrew? I thought that's what these works were fore...

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 1 2018 12:45 PM

Alexander Fogassy:

What do you mean that there is "another world" for those skilled a biblical Hebrew? I thought that's what these works were fore...

For hebrew, the jewish world, the books much centerred in Israel. And the german offers another world as well for text critical, etc.

Logos english tends to reflect 'fully-digested'. I joke too much.


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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 1 2018 4:01 PM

Interesting. Too bad we can't have access to all of it all at once :). 

Do you think the "big brother" bundle you mentioned represents top-tier scholarship that won't be rivaled? 

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 2 2018 10:44 AM

Won't be rivaled? Scholarship does advance, albeit slowly.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 2 2018 2:06 PM

Alexander Fogassy:

Do you think the "big brother" bundle you mentioned represents top-tier scholarship that won't be rivaled? 

In Logos, I doubt they’ll go beyond BHQ; there’s another one being worked, but I forget its name.

For LXX, the apparatus is ok-ish. Gottengin (in Logos.com) is the goto, but for very few Logosians, realistically.  If you do OT-greek, it’s worth it.

For the Vulgate, it’s all we’re likely to see. It’s also ok-ish; handy.

Bottom-line: the ‘big boy’ is a good fit. Again, assuming you enjoy NA28’s apparatus.


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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 2 2018 5:41 PM

Okay well NA28 aside, what in your opinion is the best Greek and Hebrew resource?

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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 2 2018 5:41 PM

Okay, well NA28 aside, what in your opinion is the best Greek and Hebrew sources?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jan 4 2018 2:48 PM

Sources? Apparatus, lexicons, ...?  


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Alexander Fogassy | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jan 5 2018 5:22 AM

Both

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