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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 6:56 PM

Logos Now 2.0 .. the dead become dead-er.

Basically a SUPER EXPENSIVE LN with LESS FEATURES that people don't care.

Seriously, you guys can take Faithlife TV away and still not worth it. Charging for faithlifeTV is bad because the contents are bad and old, YouTube is 100% filled with HIGHER QUALITY contents (but you can't say that with NETFLIX or AMZ PRIME, because they DO have quality CONTENTS) There's no way in the right mind people who knows what they're doing would NOT pay that much for Faithlife TV. Let alone pay extra for faithlifeTV PLUS... SMH.

I know I'm NOT resubscribing, unless they fix the pricing.

Getting GREEDY here Logos... careful...

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 7:01 PM

If they dare to manipulate the price like this then they should be ready to take the criticisms.

Stop defending a business cooperate. You defend the poor. Logos is NOT POOR, you are POOR-ER. You are the poor.

Don't get them mixed up people.

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 7:02 PM

PetahChristian:
To be fair, I think we inadvertently stumbled on the new web site before the forum post and email communication went out.

I know almost nothing about computers, but is it not possible for FL to perfect their new web pages in-house, then close-to-simultaneously make the pages live + have Chris publish the prewritten announcement??

Its their job to manage their info flow; so, my contention is that our inadvertent stumble is their mistake.

Its blatantly obvious that their emails should have been all readied b4 they went live.

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Matt Hamrick | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 7:12 PM

So, let me get this straight. Logos Now was put forward to us from Bob as the thing to get for base package owners. Now, you are telling me I am going to have to subscribe for resources I already own and pay more? Well, maybe not more I will have to wait to get the email you say is coming. That email should have already arrived.

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Glenn Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 7:20 PM

Levi Durfey:
Bingo...I would be happy if they made a "features" level that didn't have any books or courses and cost $8.25/mo ($99/year). 

That is what I am after - definitely don't want Cloud...

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St Paul's Lutheran Church
Kalgoorlie-Boulder, Western Australia

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Keith Pang | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 7:22 PM

I wonder if they will consider just letting Logos Now be an option as features only or give a discount from the price because like many others I own pretty much all the resources in the "cloud library"

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 7:22 PM

Well, gee. Now just gets better, and better. They promised, and delivered, no? 

I remember the discussion 2 years ago, that if you get off the Now train, your features are gone. Hopefully you made it up on discounts.

Luckily, you have a choice to buy new more expensive Connect tickets to stay on the train (digging yourself deeper), or consider the ownership model. I'd bet the crossgrade price will go up a bunch, this fall. Bet.


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Jim Erwin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 8:38 PM

Dynamic pricing should be a consideration...and frankly, I am a bit surprised at this change. 

I see that FL is embracing the subscription model. I have Amazon, Netflix and YouTube TV. So I see it's value. My problem is that price must have value in order for it to be worth paying. For me, I don't see the added value when I get LESS content with Faithlife Connect for the same price I paid with Logos NOW. Of course, there is Faithlife TV and some courses. But for me, the real value was in the software engine and in the deals for the books. 

If they take dynamic pricing out when you purchase through Faithlife Connect, then I think this deal is worse than Logos Now...

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Armin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 8:39 PM

Chris duMond:

PetahChristian:
Logos Now gave us 10% off libraries and 25% off feature set purchases. Have those benefits disappeared?

No. 

Hi Chris,

Do you mind elaborating on this? Do we continue to get these discounts in Faithlife Connect or only for the remainder of our Logos Now subscription?

Armin

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Tom Traubitz | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 8:49 PM

Keith Pang:

I wonder if they will consider just letting Logos Now be an option as features only or give a discount from the price because like many others I own pretty much all the resources in the "cloud library"

Me too.   I subscribed to LN for the product features.   I own most of the cloud books and don’t see the point of paying $240/yr just to keep up with the product.  Cutting the features of $100 or so a year level seems ill advised for me.  I’m sure I’ll get the usual calls from the sales department Logos 8 upgrades, but it seems Logos/Faithlife is heading off in a pricey subscription direction.   I certainly don’t plan to use Faithlife Connect as it’s currently structured and it casts doubt on significant investment in new resources in future Logos editions.  Maybe Logos will rethink how they support those users committed to the ownership model, since this turn doesn’t seem fitted for those who already have significant owned resources.

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 8:49 PM

Armin:

Do you mind elaborating on this? Do we continue to get these discounts in Faithlife Connect or only for the remainder of our Logos Now subscription?

Chris shared that there will also be discounts in Faithlife Connect, but the L8 details haven't been worked out yet.

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 8:50 PM

Can someone tell me how "Logos Now" is differnet from the new "Faithlife Basic"..........will I loose any datasets? I don't care about these new plans. I just want to make sure nothing changes for me from Logos Now.

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Joshua Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 8:56 PM

I purchased Logos Now primarily for full access to the Logos 7 features. I had no need for the public domain free books or Faithlife TV subscription (since it doesn't come with Mobile Ed). Yet, I felt the previous price was affordable.

Faithlife Connect (Starter) offers less for less. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to pay double ($20/mth) to get the full Bible study toolset.

I now feel that I would've been better off sticking to the ownership model (i.e. purchasing the Logos feature sets). This is a somewhat disappointing maneuver by FL. :(

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Joshua Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 9:00 PM

Mike Tourangeau:

Can someone tell me how "Logos Now" is differnet from the new "Faithlife Basic"..........will I loose any datasets? I don't care about these new plans. I just want to make sure nothing changes for me from Logos Now.

What is the date on which your Logos Now subscription ends?

You'll lose some of your datasets either on 12 Nov or on the date on which your LN subscription ends (whichever is later). See what's offered in Starter: https://logoscloud.com/products/138567/logos-cloud-starter

If you want to maintain your current sets (after the date specified above), you'll have to upgrade to https://logoscloud.com/products/138568/logos-cloud-essentials.

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Bryce Hufford | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 9:02 PM

I figured it was only a matter of time before the initial $89.99 annual subscription for LN increased, but I didn’t anticipate how quickly it would happen.  All is not lost though.  The way I see it, I have spent $189.99 for two years on LN that will get me covered through November 2018.  The announcement email states we will be getting a $200 coupon.  So I can use the coupon, purchase the full feature set, cancel the subscription service, and then it will be like Faithlife gave me $10 to try LN for 2 years.

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Joshua Tan | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 9:06 PM

Bryce Hufford:

I figured it was only a matter of time before the initial $89.99 annual subscription for LN increased, but I didn’t anticipate how quickly it would happen.  All is not lost though.  The way I see it, I have spent $189.99 for two years on LN that will get me covered through November 2018.  The announcement email states we will be getting a $200 coupon.  So I can use the coupon, purchase the full feature set, cancel the subscription service, and then it will be like Faithlife gave me $10 to try LN for 2 years.

$200 coupon? I guess it's based on the number of years of subscription you've purchased from LN. Mine reads:

"We’re not quite ready to announce a release date for Logos 8, but when it comes, you’ll save $100."

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 9:08 PM

Joshua Tan:

Mike Tourangeau:

Can someone tell me how "Logos Now" is differnet from the new "Faithlife Basic"..........will I loose any datasets? I don't care about these new plans. I just want to make sure nothing changes for me from Logos Now.

What is the date on which your Logos Now subscription ends?

You'll lose some of your datasets either on 12 Nov or on the date on which your LN subscription ends (whichever is later). See what's offered in Starter: https://logoscloud.com/products/138567/logos-cloud-starter

If you want to maintain your current sets (after the date specified above), you'll have to upgrade to https://logoscloud.com/products/138568/logos-cloud-essentials.

Thanks, I just canceled my "auto-renew" I don't think I want to continue down this road with FL. When Logos Now first came out it was great but I think they over sell and then have to walk it back. (?) 

I am just going to go with the ownership model....it doesn't seem FL can be trusted to maintain a course for long

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 9:14 PM

I don't understand why they havent continued Logos Now along with this new thing. At least they would retain old customers and the new thing can pick up new ones. I for one have never looked at Faithlife TV. I am sure it's great, it's just not something I am interested in.

As it is now, I will not renew and definetly not get on board with any other subscriptions they offer. They will just change them a couple of years in....... 

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 9:29 PM

Joshua Tan:

Bryce Hufford:

I figured it was only a matter of time before the initial $89.99 annual subscription for LN increased, but I didn’t anticipate how quickly it would happen.  All is not lost though.  The way I see it, I have spent $189.99 for two years on LN that will get me covered through November 2018.  The announcement email states we will be getting a $200 coupon.  So I can use the coupon, purchase the full feature set, cancel the subscription service, and then it will be like Faithlife gave me $10 to try LN for 2 years.

$200 coupon? I guess it's based on the number of years of subscription you've purchased from LN. Mine reads:

"We’re not quite ready to announce a release date for Logos 8, but when it comes, you’ll save $100."

As Chris mentioned, "sharing emails with anyone would not be helpful, as it's specific to each customer."

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Dustin Pearson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Feb 21 2018 9:40 PM

Really can't believe after supporting LN since day one that the starter doesn't include the free book coupon (Could have grandfathered in original LN subscribers). Only really had LN for the extra features needing an LN subscription but guess this isn't needed with connect now? Already am also good on resources and the cloud part has nothing for me, so as long as I don't need this connect to enable any features I have (I bought the expanded feature set earlier last year) then I will just cancel the recurring subscription. So to confirm by cancelling I wouldn't be losing anything that used to require an LN subscription (for example is there anything under the "Tools" ribbon I would not have access to)?

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