Aristotle is so close!

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Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife) | Forum Activity | Posted: Mon, Mar 12 2018 9:34 AM

Wanted to draw your attention to the Select Works of Aristotle on community pricing. It's bee up there for a while and is now very close to getting funded! https://www.logos.com/product/36498/select-works-of-aristotle

Now's the time to get your bid it!

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 12 2018 10:31 AM

Yes

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Lew Worthington | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 12 2018 12:37 PM

I rarely promote CP resources, choosing instead to let the process run its course. But the one collection I've promoted more than everything else combined is this one. Thanks for bringing it up, Ben!

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Gao Lu | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Mar 12 2018 9:35 PM

Any idea how this compares to Perseus?

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Glenn Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 13 2018 6:10 AM

Been in on this one for awhile - hopefully a few more will jump aboard Big Smile

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 13 2018 8:08 AM

Gao Lu:

Any idea how this compares to Perseus?

Not only that, I would also be interested to know what the difference is between this set and these two volumes, both of which I read this past year.

https://www.logos.com/product/55052/great-books-of-the-western-world#007

https://www.logos.com/product/55052/great-books-of-the-western-world#008

Can anyone help with this?

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Dave Thawley | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 13 2018 3:01 PM

Its so close I can't see the line under the dot. Come on FL, just let it go :-)

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doc | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 13 2018 6:06 PM

Honestly I‚d rather see the price drop further, there is bound to be some overlap between what we have already and what this set offers. Difference will potentially lie with who did the translation and whether or not the Greek text is included as well as what material is unique to this particular set, if any.

As with others I agree it would be good to know the actual differences.

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Greg F | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 14 2018 6:54 AM

To answer Bruce's question: They're Loeb volumes, meaning that you get both the Greek and the English texts. This makes them useful for word studies. The Great Books only have English translations. They're morphologically tagged by an automatic process by Logos, meaning most words have grammar tags and a gloss in English.

The free Perseus volumes are most likely based on the same public domain Loeb volumes that you'll be buying in this collection. I haven't checked these particular volumes, but Perseus typically uses old Loebs for their texts. That means that there is some overlap between the free versions and the paid versions.

However, the Perseus texts don't include any of the introductions to the texts written by the editors to each Loeb volume, and which tend to be fairly useful, though very succinct. There are also cross-references and indexes in the Loeb editions that you don't get with Perseus.

I remember checking a few years ago whether there were texts in the Loeb collection that weren't found in our Perseus for Aristotle. If my memory serves, there are several texts and translations offered in the pay version (Loeb) that you don't get with the free version (Perseus).

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Greg F | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 14 2018 6:55 AM

I should add that I think these volumes are a steal at only 60 dollars (I've been in at $100 for many years).

Almost all of Aristotle in Greek and English: priceless. :)

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 14 2018 8:17 AM

Greg F:

To answer Bruce's question: They're Loeb volumes, meaning that you get both the Greek and the English texts. This makes them useful for word studies. The Great Books only have English translations. They're morphologically tagged by an automatic process by Logos, meaning most words have grammar tags and a gloss in English.

The free Perseus volumes are most likely based on the same public domain Loeb volumes that you'll be buying in this collection. I haven't checked these particular volumes, but Perseus typically uses old Loebs for their texts. That means that there is some overlap between the free versions and the paid versions.

However, the Perseus texts don't include any of the introductions to the texts written by the editors to each Loeb volume, and which tend to be fairly useful, though very succinct. There are also cross-references and indexes in the Loeb editions that you don't get with Perseus.

I remember checking a few years ago whether there were texts in the Loeb collection that weren't found in our Perseus for Aristotle. If my memory serves, there are several texts and translations offered in the pay version (Loeb) that you don't get with the free version (Perseus).

Greg, thanks so much for clarifying this. When I think about it I should have just asked you in the first place as I know this is in your area of expertise. I've been waiting for these texts for a while too. Having them morphologically tagged will be very useful for word studies.

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Gao Lu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 14 2018 4:20 PM

Everything Aristotle is freely and widely available free on the internet.  Unless someone just wants the Greek  morphologically  tagged....

I am in at $60 but wondering why.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Mar 14 2018 6:41 PM

Gao Lu:

Everything Aristotle is freely and widely available free on the internet.  Unless someone just wants the Greek  morphologically  tagged....

I am in at $60 but wondering why.

I know what you mean. It is nice to have it in Logos but especially because it is morphologically tagged.

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Lloyd Pietersen | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2018 2:15 AM

Am I missing something? I have now got this set and it seems that a number of the Greek volumes are not morphologically tagged?

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Greg F | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2018 5:27 AM

Yes, you're missing the morphological tagging. :)

Logos always seems to drop the ball on the Loeb volumes for some reason when they first come out: these problems eventually get fixed once the users start to complain.

A few of the volumes are correctly tagged, but it would appear that the majority are not. Logos needs to fix it.

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Dave Moser | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2018 11:05 AM

Gao Lu:

Everything Aristotle is freely and widely available free on the internet.  Unless someone just wants the Greek  morphologically  tagged....

That's exactly why I bought this. The Loeb library has been really helpful for me in word studies in the GNT. I own many of the Loeb collections I have zero intention of reading simply for the additional ancient Greek texts at my disposal for word studies.

Logos is only as powerful as the library you feed it and with these resources in the CP program that's a huge bang for the buck. 

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2018 4:03 PM

Lloyd Pietersen:

Am I missing something? I have now got this set and it seems that a number of the Greek volumes are not morphologically tagged?

Looks like we missed a handful. We're updating them right now and will be pushed out on Tuesday.

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Kenneth Neighoff | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 28 2018 4:32 PM

Thanks Kyle.

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Lloyd Pietersen | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 29 2018 8:44 AM

Thanks, Kyle!

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Greg F | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 5 2018 5:45 AM

I received the fixed files today, thank you very much!

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