Survey: Carta Jerusalem

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 12:38 AM

Mark Barnes:
But I’d still buy a Logos version in a heartbeat. 

I have some Carta products in paper format, and I agree.

But Logos should make sure that we get the latest editions.

As I understand, the Carta products are updated quite often/regularly, and Logos should make sure that by the time each map book is tagged, it is the newest edition.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 10:54 AM

Well it looks good, I was simply stating my opinion on the survey and since I had no mind map or knowledge on Carta I was a tabula rasa. No pun intended. 

The "survey" was more frustrating and a waste of time for me, than it was informational. However, I suppose in time the blanks will be filled in and then I will have a better opinion, but for now the verdict is still out.

mm.

Denise:

Milkman:
e us an example or a website so we can see what the hoopla is all about.

While you're waiting, frankly you're asking for a lot, since Carta (a group of high quality books) are wide ranging .... and if Logos tagged, imagine! Below, a few samples ... the associated book is at the top. Note the depth, and breadth.

Map detailed to a specific era/location, with in-depth discussion:

Inclusion of correspondance, specific to the discussion:

Inscriptions and translations, all organized by time period:

Reconstructions specific to a source; not a general concep:

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James McAdams | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 11:17 AM

Milkman:

Well it looks good, I was simply stating my opinion on the survey and since I had no mind map or knowledge on Carta I was a tabula rasa. No pun intended. 

The "survey" was more frustrating and a waste of time for me, than it was informational. However, I suppose in time the blanks will be filled in and then I will have a better opinion, but for now the verdict is still out.

mm.

I think the point of the survey (and the reason Phil asked people not to research it before taking the survey) is because he was trying to evaluate the significance of the name to people. If it’s proving to be difficult to license on Logos’ preferred terms, how worthwhile is it to fight for it? If a small number of people are fanatical about it but most people just view it as one more atlas on the pile, it might not be worth prioritisin. If it’s genuinely going to draw people to the product (as it‘s drawn users to Accordance) then it might be worth pursuing with greater urgency, even on less-than-ideal terms.

That’s the only reason I could think of for him to request that we don’t research it first, anyway. I might be way off-base.

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Dan Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 11:21 AM

FL has their prepub system but this I am guessing is even more tentative to see if they have enough interest to want to continue talks with the publishers. I have not known them to do this before but perhaps there may be some sticking point that unless there is a major desire for these among a large group of potential customers FL simply doesn't wish to pursue it. As I cannot believe it is remotely coincidence this is brought up while talks are on going with Carta. I know it would not be helpful or needed to reveal anything but one would guess if talks were going good we would see them in prepub by now and now getting a cryptic survey request. But as has been pointed out elsewhere these will be of little value if they are not input into logos as a higher resolution than often happens with Logos works. I believe Logos has the technology it is a matter if they have the will to scan the images and maps in higher resolution.

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 1:46 PM

Thanks James,

If you read my op I did say: "I suppose you got your answer to MY current knowledge and feelings Smile Hope it helps."

I did/do understand Phil's query. I get what he wants to elicit, I'm just saying that the questions elicited FROM ME were more frustration than interest in the product. 

I think there could have been a better questionnaire formulated. As most of us know when partaking of an online survey there most often than not is a question that we can not answer and the survey then automatically pushes the responder to the end of said survey. They got their answer. I think this survey could have should have done the same without belabouring the point. I don't know so don't ask me any more questions. You got your answer.

There could have been another question such as: "Since you don't know of this product, are you interested in finding out more?" Then supply a link or a site that explains what the product is. I never want to cut my customers or potential customers loose. I want them to buy and I want them to buy more. So give me a reason to purchase and not a reason to get frustrated and literally not check out Carta. They got their answer already "I don't know" now it's time to reel them in.

Also, there could be a follow up survey once the customer has checked out the links/websites that explain the product. Then once the consumer has done his/her homework he can now make an educated response to said product. By all accounts of what I've see in this post I'd be interested in Carta. So Phil I guess you got my second answer - I'm in. In regards to anything topical as in historical sites, cities, tels etc my dream job would have been a Biblical archeologist while playing on the PGA Tour, but alas a lonely milkman am I.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all in for more books/resources from FL. Believe me I have a ton of them (see https://community.logos.com/forums/t/160656.aspx) and I'll keep supporting FL with my very hard earned money. I have no issues whatsoever with Bob's team. Keep pushing forward and keep offering more stuff. I'll be one of the first in line to grab stuff. 

So all that to say, "tweek the survey" pls. Wink

James McAdams:

Milkman:

Well it looks good, I was simply stating my opinion on the survey and since I had no mind map or knowledge on Carta I was a tabula rasa. No pun intended. 

The "survey" was more frustrating and a waste of time for me, than it was informational. However, I suppose in time the blanks will be filled in and then I will have a better opinion, but for now the verdict is still out.

mm.

I think the point of the survey (and the reason Phil asked people not to research it before taking the survey) is because he was trying to evaluate the significance of the name to people. If it’s proving to be difficult to license on Logos’ preferred terms, how worthwhile is it to fight for it? If a small number of people are fanatical about it but most people just view it as one more atlas on the pile, it might not be worth prioritisin. If it’s genuinely going to draw people to the product (as it‘s drawn users to Accordance) then it might be worth pursuing with greater urgency, even on less-than-ideal terms.

That’s the only reason I could think of for him to request that we don’t research it first, anyway. I might be way off-base.

mm.

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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 7:10 PM

So would these maps allow one to travel with Paul on his missionary journeys?  And at each stop along the journey, would we be able to click and see his ministry (for example) at Corinth?

Would these maps allow one to travel with Israel through the wilderness journey from Egypt to Canaan? And at each stop along the journey, would we be able to click and see what happened for example at Kadesh Barnea?

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 7:46 PM

You probably must have heard of the industry leading Carta TTD (Toposcopic Transporter Device), which unfortunately (at least at A-Company) demands a package purchase. 

Absent the TTD (Logos may not be able to support), the user is provided maps with routes, as well as detailed discussion from the appropriate text.


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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 9:00 PM

Mark:

So would these maps allow one to travel with Paul on his missionary journeys?  And at each stop along the journey, would we be able to click and see his ministry (for example) at Corinth?

Would these maps allow one to travel with Israel through the wilderness journey from Egypt to Canaan? And at each stop along the journey, would we be able to click and see what happened for example at Kadesh Barnea?

That reminds me of a game my kids had "Africa Trails" by the Learning Company.  During the game, students could explore roads to various destinations. Included were maps.  At each stop, users could explore nearby locations, sights, food, scenery, music, history.

Would it be so hard to make something like that?  Imagine traveling Bible roads with Abraham that way, or Jacob, or Jesus or Paul.  That might be an add-on to Carta, but for now, let's just get Carta.


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Mark | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Mar 23 2018 9:19 PM

Gao Lu:
Imagine traveling Bible roads with Abraham that way, or Jacob, or Jesus or Paul.

As a boy, our Sunday School teacher made a huge hand made map of the wilderness journey, put it on a wall, and made it into a board game.  When we memorized verses etc, we would get points and move along in the wilderness, learning as we went along, all the lessons that the children of Israel learned. 

I never forgot that, and always thought how incredible it would be to put a map up on the screen today, and take a journey like that in various places of the Bible

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Mike Tourangeau | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 24 2018 7:58 AM

Mark:

Gao Lu:
Imagine traveling Bible roads with Abraham that way, or Jacob, or Jesus or Paul.

As a boy, our Sunday School teacher made a huge hand made map of the wilderness journey, put it on a wall, and made it into a board game.  When we memorized verses etc, we would get points and move along in the wilderness, learning as we went along, all the lessons that the children of Israel learned. 

I never forgot that, and always thought how incredible it would be to put a map up on the screen today, and take a journey like that in various places of the Bible

My teacher did something similar, thank God for these teachers!! Only heaven will reveal their impact 

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 24 2018 8:10 AM

Phil,

While we're on the subject, I've just finished the Crossway ESV Bible Atlas in print. It's a wonderful resource, and rivals The Carta Bible Atlas. It would be a great addition, regardless of what happens with Carta.

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Lee | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 24 2018 9:22 AM

Mark Barnes:

Phil,

While we're on the subject, I've just finished the Crossway ESV Bible Atlas in print. It's a wonderful resource, and rivals The Carta Bible Atlas. It would be a great addition, regardless of what happens with Carta.

Off-topic: I'd say text-wise Sacred Bridge remains unrivalled in breadth and detail. But I really like the Crossway too. I'd love to go digital in Logos. Yes

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Deacon Steve | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Mar 24 2018 10:09 AM

JT (alabama24):

Milkman:
As a business owner I would certainly tweek those questions and give my customers way more info on what Carta is for those who don't know what it is.

That would be putting the Carta before the horse. 

LOL!  Smile

I took the survey without any specific knowledge of the resources that may be available in the spirit of the original request.  I trust everything will work out.  I'll always consider purchasing coordinated high quality maps, diagrams, photos and descriptions.  Pricing is important to me.

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Bruce Dunning | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2018 9:46 AM

Charlene:

Yahoo! This is encouraging! Oh, to think of Carta books in Logos...what a dream come true! ...the missing piece to my Bible software.Big Smile

I've been away from the internet for two weeks now and this is my first post since. Charlene, you express my thoughts exactly. This is very encouraging!

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Mar 27 2018 10:02 AM

Mark Barnes:

Phil,

While we're on the subject, I've just finished the Crossway ESV Bible Atlas in print. It's a wonderful resource, and rivals The Carta Bible Atlas. It would be a great addition, regardless of what happens with Carta.

I agree!  I wonder why it isn't in Logos yet?  Probably looking for a bundle to stick it in with Roll Eyes

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Bobby Terhune | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 22 2018 7:37 AM

Where do things stand now?

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Jun 22 2018 8:25 AM

Bobby Terhune:

Where do things stand now?

See my post here: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/25757/984347.aspx#984347 

DAL

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