Search in Logos 7 for 'believe' πιστευω + accusative

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Jul 25 2018 2:02 AM

Hey Forum Members,

I am trying to perform a search in Logos 7 for all cases where πιστευω takes accusative case as its complement/object. So, I need to find those cases where 1) πιστευω takes a complement and 2) that complement is not dative or a prepositional phrase.

Here is the morph search I have done: lemma:πιστεύω WITHIN 4 WORDS @NA

Obviously, there are several problems with this. First, it doesn't filter out cases where the complement is εις, since that takes accusative case. Second, it includes accusatives outside the clause.

So, is there a way to search within a clause in morph search (rather than just within a certain number of words). And second, can you specify that something is not an complement of a preposition or something like that.

I would prefer to not use the syntax search because I am trying to duplicate this with every morphologically-tagged Greek text I have in Logos.

Thanks,

Kevin

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jul 25 2018 5:52 PM

Kevin:
I would prefer to not use the syntax search because I am trying to duplicate this with every morphologically-tagged Greek text I have in Logos.

Syntax Search also returns a complex set of results

Try:  

(lemma:πιστεύω BEFORE 4 WORDS @NA) AND (lemma:πιστεύω  NOT WITHIN "lemma:πιστεύω lemma:εἰς")

which is more accurate than the 'traditional' solution:

 lemma:πιστεύω BEFORE 4 WORDS @NA  ANDNOT  lemma:πιστεύω BEFORE 1 WORDS lemma:εἰς

It might give a few spurious results (but no missing ones), whilst the 'traditional' query will omit results.

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Yes, the phrase "lemma:πιστεύω lemma:εἰς"  is the same as  lemma:πιστεύω BEFORE 1 WORDS lemma:εἰς else we couldn't use WITHIN.

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 26 2018 12:34 AM

Thanks, Dave.

So there seem to be some that this is not getting, like this one for example (John 11:26):

26 καὶ πᾶς ὁ ζῶν καὶ πιστεύων ⸋εἰς ἐμὲ⸌ οὐ μὴ ἀποθάνῃ εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα. πιστεύεις τοῦτο;*

Kurt Aland et al., Novum Testamentum Graece, 28th Edition. (Stuttgart: Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft, 2012), Jn 11:26.

I guess this is because of εις being too close to πιστευεις even though you still have an accusative immediately following the verb? 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 26 2018 6:58 AM

Surely you don't want this as a result because of the proximity to εἰς and the accusative is a pronoun not a noun!? Note: I don't have NA28. Is this an issue in other GNT"s?

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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 26 2018 10:46 AM

Well I would want this, actually. I'll have to change it to both pronouns and nouns. I am just looking for any nominals in accusative case. And it is not that I care about the proximity to εις. All I care about is whether εις + accusative is the argument of πιστευω (the thing that the verb takes, i.e. that which is "believed in"), but I am assuming there is no way to do this with a simple morphology search. I guess I will have to narrow down my WITHIN parameter to make sure none are missed, unless you know of a better way.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Jul 26 2018 9:22 PM

Let me give you the basics of a morph search, always bearing in mind that the clause boundaries of a Syntax Search can only be simulated by proximity.

(lemma:πιστεύω BEFORE 4 WORDS @NA,R??A)  includes accusative pronouns. You can repeat for other parts of speech with the comma separator.

If you want εις in close proximity use (lemma:πιστεύω BEFORE 1 WORDS  lemma:εἰς BEFORE 4 WORDS @NA,R??A)

If you don't want εις, adapt the search I gave you above.

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