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Kevin A. Purcell | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Sep 13 2018 8:21 AM

YouVersion is nowhere near as advanced as the Logos app. it is not a Bible study app, but just a Bible reading app. Olive Tree is like Logos, free to download, but not free to get the most out of it. You really need to pay for books. I love OT and use it more when I'm just reading devotionally, but the Logos app is the most advanced for Bible study even with it's strange UI and quirks. Once you learn how to use it, it's a very powerful app so long as you have a good Internet connection.

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Josh moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 26 2018 2:59 PM

If Logos is exclusively a reader app it is a waste of an iOS app. Faithlife might as well discontinue the service and transition over Kindle. The excuse that an iOS device can not be powerful is laughable. Spend a few moments in the App Store and look at the incredible feats of many apps.

Should we expect a desktop level experience? No. 

Should we expect an app that capitalizes on the ever growing power of tablets and smart phones? YES!!!

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 26 2018 3:32 PM

Josh moore:
If Logos is exclusively a reader app it is a waste of an iOS app.

I think you misunderstand, but if not, I disagree. FL calls the mobile apps "reader apps" to distinguish the function of the apps. They are meant to read, take highlights, take basic notes, etc. They are not the fully functional desktop version. 

In another thread you mentioned that you wished FL would take advantage of some of the newer features of iOS... I agree. That would not, however, change the function of the app. 

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Josh moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 26 2018 4:08 PM

I understand what you mean now by saying a "reader app" vs a desktop app. It's unreasonable to expect the app to run complicated visual filters. But I should note that I can read, highlight and take notes on my Kindle reader.

When I mention using the full capabilities of an iPhone or iPad (or dare I say iPad Pro) I'm talking about things that would set it apart such as sharesheet extensions, Apple Pencil, Siri, and URL callback support. These are all things that all quality apps include.

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 26 2018 4:54 PM

Josh moore:
But I should note that I can read, highlight and take notes on my Kindle reader.

Yes, but in no way similar to FL. You can't search your LIBRARY on Kindle, you can search a single book. Highlights and Notes are much more simplistic on Kindle as well. 

Josh moore:
sharesheet extensions, Apple Pencil, Siri, and URL callback support.

It frustrates me too that FL doesn't do many of these things... More so on desktop, but mobile as well. Two questions:

  • What would you have the Apple Pencil do? 
  • What is URL callback support, and how would it work in Logos? 

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Josh moore | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Sep 26 2018 9:46 PM

Apple Pencil

1) mimic an analog pencil/highlighter. Ideally, when you slide the pencil across the screen (as you would a highlighter) it would highlight/underline without having to use the "pause, then swipe" motion required with a finger. This also would remove the common gesture error that causes you to swipe the screen away rather than highlighting.

2) mimic the force press capability of the phone. In my imagination what would be great is to use the pencil to tap a word and it would immediately open a new (or previous opened) note or force press and pull or the "look up, search, study" window.

These are simple but I propose their so intuitive that once you experiences this it be hard to use the app w/o the pencil afterward.

URL callback support

URL callbacks allow for apps to communicate and send and receive data between apps. A simple example of this that currently does work is if you add the hyperlink ref.ly/jn3.16 in Pages it will open the link in the app rather than a webpage in safari. Here is why this matters. There are certain things Logos won't allow you to do, but through apps like Shortcuts/Workflow, there would be exponentially more that you could do. Here is the most practical example. I routinely come across blogs or articles online that remind me of a passage, or may even be commenting on a specific passage. Unfortunately, there is no EASY way of adding that information to a note within the app. You have to copy the link, then navigate to the app, then navigate to the verse in question, then create a note, and then paste the information. By this point my ADD self has forgotten what I was doing in the first place. 😑 What if you could share the link directly to a note within Logos through Shortcuts/Workflows without ever having to open the app? This is what URL schemes allow you to do in the absence of sharesheet extensions.

Siri integration (even though you didn’t ask) 😉

Let me dream a little more, in regards to Siri integration. With the new Siri shortcuts, imagine if you could say, "hey Siri, what does the Bible say about love?" And it would open your Logos and search your Bibles for occurrences of the word "love". Or, if you say, "Hey Siri, what does John 3:16 say?", your Logos app would open up to John 3:16. Or, when you pull down on you screen and type John 3:16 into the search bar, one of the top results would be to open your Logos app to John 3:16. Or, if you do the same action but type in "Mornings & Evenings" and the option to open that resource in your Logos app would appear.

That is the kind of stuff that would separate Logos from other reader apps but also offer something useful for the Bible student on the go.

I'm really not sure why Faithlife has not put an emphasis on the mobile app as an introductory way of gaining more customers. Bait with the free AND POWERFUL free app hook them with the add-on/premium resources/packages.

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Robert Bigouette | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 28 2018 4:26 AM

With all these things, it isn't inherent in the app. For instance. I have downloaded multiple books on my iPhone. We are currently at a mens retreat in the wilds of Texas with very sparse cell and wifi coverage. I cannot (in a bible or any resource I have downloaded) go to another book using the the verse chooser. it spins thinking and stays where it is. The lack offline functionality of the app made it useless and once again I had to default to the (what I think is inferior yet supremely functional) Olive Tree app. Because it worked and even allowed me to search my resources and bibles "offline". 

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 28 2018 4:38 AM

Robert Bigouette:
For instance. I have downloaded multiple books on my iPhone. We are currently at a mens retreat in the wilds of Texas with very sparse cell and wifi coverage. I cannot (in a bible or any resource I have downloaded) go to another book using the the verse chooser. it spins thinking and stays where it is

This is very strange

I have just enabled airplane mode on my iPhone to test this and the verse picker works fine with lookup being virtually instantaneous.

You mentioned "sparse" coverage - I wonder if intermittent / poor coverage is worse than none.

What happens if you try the same thing with airplane mode enabled so the iPhone is totally offline?

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Robert Bigouette | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 28 2018 7:07 AM

Same thing. But using NKJV doing verse picker still doesn't work going from any book chapter to any book chapter or vice versa. (this on iPhone fyi). On Airplane mode I cannot even change resource to other downloaded bible or resource. I am going to delete the app/reboot phone/re-download and download books/reboot phone and test again to see if have corrupted install.

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Denise | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 28 2018 8:19 AM

Josh moore:

If Logos is exclusively a reader app it is a waste of an iOS app. Faithlife might as well discontinue the service and transition over Kindle. 

Of course, you can't read your Logos library on the Kindle app, so there might be a little inconvenience.  I'd be happy if the Logos apps just improved the where-am-I suppot. Much of Kindle's updates are in that area; work great.

But realistically, the apps will likely die a slow death.  They draw resources away from the web app, which will have a far broader audience, connectivity to in-church workflow, etc.  I doubt even now, much is invested.


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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 28 2018 9:42 AM

Robert Bigouette:
I am going to delete the app/reboot phone/re-download and download books/reboot phone and test again to see if have corrupted install.

I would start by deleting the NKJV and redownloading it. 

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