Do you really want to understand Logos' classification of systematic theology?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Posted: Sat, Nov 3 2018 5:32 PM

See https://projekter.aau.dk/projekter/files/281070062/Master_Thesis_of_Simon_Josias_Graf.pdf

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David Taylor Jr | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Nov 3 2018 8:01 PM

Interesting read.

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 4 2018 2:54 PM

Thank you MJ for the link.

Very interesting article, just a little long.

Couple of questions come to my mind, and maybe you can help answer them:

1 Did the author do the CalvOn himself? what app did he use? Protege? 

I see one can download Protege, and maybe one can do our own TheOn (theological ontology), and instead of placing content in the database, one can put links to particular locations in logos resources.

2 more general: quote follows..

"...TheOn does not at the moment contain classes such as theologian_by_geography. While this categorization might not seem as significant as theologian by denomination, time or field, the geographical classification does in fact provide theologically relevant information since the theological substance is very dependent on geography. There is for instance most likely greater theological distance between a Pentecostal in Denmark and one in Nigeria, than there is between a Pentecostal theologian and a Baptist theologian both from Denmark."

I had noticed that geographically certain worldview elements seem to be accentuated and developed highly. In an exchange with Dr. M. Ward, in one of his articles, I asked him if particular language yielded particular theological worldview emphasis.

He said it did not. He studied the subject deeply to write one of his books, and he said there is no correlation between particular language and ways in which certain topics in theology are seen and developed.

He based part of his opinion in the fact that in America although English is the main language, there are very varied and confronting worldview, and / or worldview elements and I imagine to the point of irreconcilability in the beliefs, and many times even in the relations themselves due to the differences.

Can we have your take on the subject?

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JH | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 4 2018 4:13 PM

Interesting that Sean Boisen was involved at some level (see acknowledgements). Maybe he is working on bringing this technology fully to bear in Logos.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 4 2018 5:34 PM

Hamilton Ramos:
1 Did the author do the CalvOn himself?

No he lists it as on available prior to his thesis

Hamilton Ramos:
what app did he use? Protege? 

At least for some of the shots he is using Protégé. You might ask Denise what her favorite tool is.

Hamilton Ramos:
do our own TheOn (theological ontology)

TheOn is the name of a publicly available theological ontology. I haven't reviewed it carefully but a high quality ontology should be easily adopted by many in the field - if it needs substantial modification or customization, that is a sign it wasn't a quality ontology to start with.

I would expect that the very small and independent congregation "denominations", especially those without at least 200 years of traceable history, are quite different across geography and ethnic background. Outside that group, I would expect geography to affect what aspects are emphasized, how they are expressed, and the effective symbolism but not the theological content. An example: in tropical countries, Jesus as the coming of the light is not an effective Christmas image ... it might even imply the coming of the season of lack. But I am not, by interest, a theologian, I'm a liturgist.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Nov 4 2018 5:35 PM

JH:
Interesting that Sean Boisen was involved at some level

That is precisely why I thought it was worth posting for the nerds among us ...

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Nov 5 2018 4:09 AM

Yes MJ, liturgy is very important, so much so that heavy theology reflection was needed for its evaluation, modern development and communication:

https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/legal-and-political-magazines/liturgy-and-worship

How can you distinguish if culture is influencing more than Bible, but by systematic analysis of both Scripture and Historical practice to allow proper contextualization ?

source: http://www.perspectivedigest.org/article/33/archives/16-1/principles-of-worship-and-liturgy

Up to what extent should we contextualize liturgy to adapt to a given culture without losing the significance of the act?

What is the meaning of worship in Spirit and Truth, but yet do the Lord's supper in remembrance of Him?

To me all very fascinating topics, and the most important in life, all the reflection, study, and trying to answer questions like that with the aid of the Holy Spirit is what attracts me to the Systematic Theology field.

Notice how different points of view from different denominations / traditions add to the conversation.

I am a firm believer in Moral theology, unlike most protestants that do not, the Gospel does imply a radical moral transformation, a striving to be perfect as the Father is, not to attain salvation, but because of the free grace of salvation given to us.

Can a saint be a correct participant in liturgy without being a radically changed person in the moral aspect?

Blessings.

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