Tagging not working in Exegetical summaries

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, Nov 7 2018 8:26 AM

Just lost my POST!

So I'll make this short

Tagging or links not working in most of my exegetical summaries!!

mm.

mm.

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2018 9:45 AM

I'm not clear what is or isn't working for you but my hunch is that it will be solved by this thread: https://community.logos.com/forums/t/148119.aspx

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Milkman | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Nov 7 2018 10:27 AM

Thanks for the thread.

Some are working and some not. I called FL this morning and they too could replicate the issue and they/she assured me that they were working toward resolving the issue.

mm.

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2019 2:58 PM

Well Milkman they still are not linked.  Most (I would say over half) links just tell you the name to the title, they are not even linked to the book much less the article.  I did check a couple of other threads and this has been a problem for sometime now.  But on the website it still states:

All references to commentaries and lexicons are linked to your digital titles.

I don't know what that means to logos, but they are supposed to be linked to my books!!!  Maybe they have a different definition for "all".

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2019 3:07 PM

Mathew Haferkamp:
Most (I would say over half) links just tell you the name to the title, they are not even linked to the book much less the article.

Isn't that just an indication of when they were last updated? The oldest resources show no indication of a link unless there is a specific active link, the middle aged resources shown the resource only when there is no active link, the newest resources tend to have the most active links because very little has been added since they were indexed. Or do you have examples of ancient resources - in place before the Exegetical summaries - that are not linked?

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2019 3:21 PM

Exegetical Summaries series is quite useful. No matter the ancientness, updated tagging  and better linking would be very helpful--I think that is the point in question.

Are you suggesting that re-indexing would update these links?

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2019 3:26 PM

MJ do you own these resources? 

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2019 3:43 PM

OK MJ, It took a few minutes but I see what you mean.  And I went and checked with that same paragraph and I think that is the problem.  The titles that came up when you hover are outdated titles.  Thanks MJ.

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2019 3:48 PM

But one more comment, as the titles are updated you will be losing more and more as time goes by??

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Oct 12 2019 7:07 PM

Mathew Haferkamp:

But one more comment, as the titles are updated you will be losing more and more as time goes by??

No, you will get improved links. But in the oldest resources, the links still missing may become more visible.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 13 2019 7:30 AM

Just wondering if we keep getting updated books how can they connect to a book you no longer have??

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 13 2019 12:27 PM

Mathew Haferkamp:
Just wondering if we keep getting updated books how can they connect to a book you no longer have??


Logos is built on the assumption that if they once published a book, it will always be in the library of those who bought it. Whether or not you actually own a book makes no difference to whether or not it is connected. The connection is made by a "milestone" or a "headword" or page number or ... A headword link is used for things like dictionaries where the link is a dictionary identifier and the headword. If you don't own the dictionary, a preview (and option to purchase) pop-up; if you own the dictionary and there is an entry for the word, the entry will show; if you own the dictionary and there is no entry for the word IIRC you are placed near where it would be in the dictionary. The same principles apply for Bibles except the headword is replaced by "milestone" which is book id, chapter, verse. Or it applies to early church fathers where the "milestone" often is author, work, book, chapter, paragraph. ...

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 13 2019 12:48 PM

MJ by that rational why do I have abbreviations with no links to books or to articles. 

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 13 2019 2:17 PM

Mathew Haferkamp:
MJ by that rational why do I have abbreviations with no links to books or to articles. 

Because at the time the resource was processed, Logos had not created the required identifier and milestones for the resource pointed to. Logos did not define the milestones/resource identifiers in advance but rather creates them when the resource pointed to becomes a Logos resource. Then they have to go back and convert all references to that resource that exist in the library already. In addition to fixing typos, etc. these updates are a big part of the downloads we get.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 13 2019 2:26 PM

But lets say resource B gets added to the logos library but it is a 2006 updated version and the book in question quoted the 1983 edition.  Would they link the updated version to the updated book?

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 13 2019 2:48 PM

Mathew Haferkamp:
Would they link the updated version to the updated book?

I recall that the user community was pressuring them to do so ... I believe they ended up with a dual link solution but I'm not certain.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Oct 13 2019 3:07 PM

I would be all for it!!!

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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 14 2019 8:23 AM

Mathew Haferkamp:

Well Milkman they still are not linked.  Most (I would say over half) links just tell you the name to the title, they are not even linked to the book much less the article.  I did check a couple of other threads and this has been a problem for sometime now.  But on the website it still states:

All references to commentaries and lexicons are linked to your digital titles.

I don't know what that means to logos, but they are supposed to be linked to my books!!!  Maybe they have a different definition for "all".

Could you give me an example? I've spot checked a few and I'm not sure what you're seeing.

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Mathew Haferkamp | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 14 2019 11:46 AM

This is from page 11 on

AN EXEGETICAL SUMMARY OF JAMES
Greenlee, J. H. (2008). An Exegetical Summary of James (2nd ed., p. 3). Dallas, TX: SIL International.

  Just to show you what I am looking.  

DISCOURSE UNIT: 1:1 [AB, BKC, EBC, GNT, Hb, HNTC, ICC, Lns, NBC, NIC, NIGTC, NTC, TG, TNTC, Tsk, WBC; NAB, NIV, NJB, TEV]. The topic is the address and greeting [AB, BKC, HNTC, Lns, My, Tsk, WBC; NJB], the salutation [EBC, Hb, ICC, NBC, NIC, NTC, TNTC], the introduction [NIGTC; TEV]. Greenlee, J. H. (2008). An Exegetical Summary of James (2nd ed., p. 11). Dallas, TX: SIL International. The first one AB I do not own, but when hovering over it I get this, and clicking on it. Reicke, Bo. The Epistles of James, Peter, and Jude. The Anchor Bible, edited by W. Albright and D. Freedman. Garden City, NY: Doubleday, 1964. Is suppose to show an article?? The second one is BKC, it refers to a 1983 edition and I have 1985 edition.  But when hovering over this I get this, and clicking on it. Blue, J. Ronald. James. In The Bible Knowledge Commentary, edited by John F. Walvoord and Roy B. Zuck. Wheaton, Illinois: Victor Books, 1983. Greenlee, J. H. (2008).  When hovering over EBC I do not own But I get a piece of it from the book.  Can't copy it.  It just quotes the verse no commentary.  Same with  clicking. When hovering over GNT Not sure if I own, but same as above It just quotes the verse, no commentary and clicking on it. When hovering over and clicking on it I get this.  I do not own.  HNTC Laws, Sophie. A Commentary on the Epistle of James. Harper’s New Testament Commentaries, edited by Henry Chadwick. San Francisco: Harper and Row, 1980. When hovering over ICC I get commentary and I own the book. When hovering over Lns I get commentary and I own the book. When hovering over and clicking NBC.  I have a book by that title but different edition and author it claims is not listed on the book. Ward, Ronald A. James. In The New Bible Commentary, Revised. Edited by D. Guthrie and J. A. Motyer. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1970. When hovering over NIC I get commentary and clicking on it brings up the book. When hovering over and clicking NIGTC I get this and I own the book. Davids, Peter H. The Epistle of James. The New International Greek Testament Commentary, edited by I. Howard Marshall and W. Ward Gasque. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1982. When hovering and clicking on NTC I get this but I own the book. Kistemaker, Simon J. Exposition of the Epistle of James and the Epistles of John. New Testament Commentary. Grand Rapids: Baker, 1986. When hovering over and clicking on TG I get this.  I do not have this book. Bratcher, Robert G. A Translator’s Guide to the Letters from James, Peter, and Jude. London, New York, Stuttgart: United Bible Societies, 1984. There is a few examples.  Let me know what to expect?  What is expected of this resource?  You only get info when you own the book and sometimes when I own it I still get no info and clicking on it does not even open the book. Sorry when I typed it out it was all spaced!!
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Kyle G. Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Oct 14 2019 12:43 PM

Thanks Matthew

AB: this is an abbreviation for a book that we do not carry. The link is functioning as expected.

BKC: We carry the 1985 edition and this is a link to the 1983 edition. Because they are different editions we do not "open" the 1985 resource and treat it like an abbreviation.

EBC: This opens the Expositor's Bible Commentary

GNT: This opens the Greek New Testament

Hb: Same scenario as BKC.

HNTC: We don't carry this edition so it functions as an abbreviation.

ICC: Opens the ICC commentary volume

Lns: Opens the commentary

NBC: We don't carry the commentary so it functions as an abbreviation

NIC: Opens the commentary

NIGTC/NTC: We missed this one. It should have been tagged.

TG: We don't carry this title so it functions as an abbreviation

With the exception of NIGTC/NTC it appears everything is functioning as normal. We can certainly get those two updated easily.

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