Accidental Closure of Tabs

Is anyone else really annoyed by accidentally closing tabs in Logos 8 because the close 'x' icon now sits next to the book cover image in each tab header and if you don't position your cursor EXACTLY on the book cover image and are a little to far to the right you end up closing the tab. I have done it so many times and it is really annoying; and so is the need to have to scroll right to access tabs which previously fitted in the pane!

Another voice to add to the 'complaints' about the new tab structure in Logos 8 having tabs which are too large and which also have the close icon in them.

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Reuben Helmuth

the close 'x' icon now sits next to the book cover image in each tab

The closest I can get to having this be an accurate statement is with the inactive tabs when I have enough tabs in a pane to enter 'carousel mode'. The active tab is persistently showing the short resource title (between the icon and the close x). Also, linkset icons will always be between.

In my screenshots, you can see that the close x active zone is a respectable distance from the resource icon.

Also, are you aware that you can reopen a closed tab by right-clicking on an open tab and choosing "Reopen closed tab"?

My biggest gripe related to the close X is that it shows (and becomes active) on a partially hidden tab as seen below.

Graham Criddle

Is anyone else really annoyed by accidentally closing tabs in Logos 8

I'm aware this isn't responding to problems with closing tabs accidentally, but I just wanted to ensure you know you could reopen them!

Wei Qiang

Is anyone else really annoyed by accidentally closing tabs in Logos 8 because the close 'x' icon now sits next to the book cover image in each tab header and if you don't position your cursor EXACTLY on the book cover image and are a little to far to the right you end up closing the tab. I have done it so many times and it is really annoying; and so is the need to have to scroll right to access tabs which previously fitted in the pane!

Another voice to add to the 'complaints' about the new tab structure in Logos 8 having tabs which are too large and which also have the close icon in them.

To reopen last closed tab you can also use keyboard shortcut.

Ctrl + Shift + T

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012055#Comment_1012055

Is anyone else really annoyed by accidentally closing tabs in Logos 8

I'm aware this isn't responding to problems with closing tabs accidentally, but I just wanted to ensure you know you could reopen them!

I don't remember ever accidentally closing a tab but this is a good reminder in case I ever do.

John Fidel

Is anyone else really annoyed by accidentally closing tabs in Logos 8 because the close 'x' icon now sits next to the book cover image in each tab header and if you don't position your cursor EXACTLY on the book cover image and are a little to far to the right you end up closing the tab. I have done it so many times and it is really annoying; and so is the need to have to scroll right to access tabs which previously fitted in the pane!

Another voice to add to the 'complaints' about the new tab structure in Logos 8 having tabs which are too large and which also have the close icon in them.

I concur Mark that the current design has issues that need to be addressed. I am glad there is a way to reopen a closed tab. I believe your concern has been addressed already. We will see how FL choses to address them.

Dan Cleghorn

This happens to me all the time and I have to reopen the book.

Is anyone else really annoyed by accidentally closing tabs in Logos 8 because the close 'x' icon now sits next to the book cover image in each tab header and if you don't position your cursor EXACTLY on the book cover image and are a little to far to the right you end up closing the tab. I have done it so many times and it is really annoying; and so is the need to have to scroll right to access tabs which previously fitted in the pane!

Another voice to add to the 'complaints' about the new tab structure in Logos 8 having tabs which are too large and which also have the close icon in them.

Mark Kulikovsky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012081#Comment_1012081

Thanks for the replies and those who pointed to the re-open a tab command which I didn't know about - that is helpful. It is also nice to see that you can issue the command multiple times and it will re-open the tabs in the reverse order that they were closed. A nice feature I wasn't aware of so thanks to Graham for that tip.

I also realise that many will not see this as a 'problem' because it is clearly not as much of an issue if you only have a few tabs open. The 'problem' really appears when you have a dozen or more tabs open in a pane and the headers are compressed so that all you can often see is the book cover icon and (often) no 'x' icon. Other posts have talked about the link set letters sometimes appearing and sometimes not, and abbreviated book titles sometimes appearing and sometimes not). Part of the problem when you have lots of tabs is that the 'x' icon does not actually show - it IS there but the space where it actually is blank until you hover over it (also mentioned in other posts). But if you move the cursor to the tab and click before ensuing that you aren't accidentally located over the 'x' icon, which as I said appears as you move over it, you end up closing the tab.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012206#Comment_1012206

I also realise that many will not see this as a problem because they only have a few tabs open.

I think that's why I've not seen this as an issue. Now I understand what you are experiencing if you have that many tabs open.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012210#Comment_1012210

Maybe Bruce or the other old-timers remember better than me. I thought L4 had this same issue; they brought it back again?

Simon’s Brother

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012048#Comment_1012048

Reuben the OP did not ask you to challenge their experience of the software. For the OP’s sake I am glad many others validated the issue. By all means say you haven’t experienced this particular issue if you can‘t help yourself but don‘t go on to questIon the accuracy but the OP’s experience based upon your experience. That is too small a sample size to base your conclusion upon.

the close 'x' icon now sits next to the book cover image in each tab

The closest I can get to having this be an accurate statement is with the inactive tabs when I have enough tabs in a pane to enter 'carousel mode'. The active tab is persistently showing the short resource title (between the icon and the close x). Also, linkset icons will always be between.

In my screenshots, you can see that the close x active zone is a respectable distance from the resource icon.

Also, are you aware that you can reopen a closed tab by right-clicking on an open tab and choosing "Reopen closed tab"?

My biggest gripe related to the close X is that it shows (and becomes active) on a partially hidden tab as seen below.

Mark Kulikovsky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012254#Comment_1012254

For those who are not seeing what the screen looks like when you have lots of tabs open the attached image shows the tabs and the space taken up by the missing 'x' close icons (except in the active tabs). Also because of the number of tabs, the compressed nature of them, and the space taken up by the 'x' icon (whether visible or not), none of the link set letters show (some of the resources are in link set A and some in link set B but you wouldn't know that without going into the menu pane for each resource or closing lots of the tabs so that the header is larger for each.

Reuben Helmuth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012260#Comment_1012260

none of the link set letters show

There seems to be a disparity here between Mac and Windows since the linkset icons never disappear for me no matter how many tabs I have open.

the space taken up by the missing 'x' close icons

Disclosure: I was one of the ones who pushed for hiding the x on inactive tabs except for hover because the UI looked really busy when showing all of them.

There've been a number of complaints about the space being retained for the x. Perhaps a solution (likely more difficult to implement) would be to shrink the tab accordingly when the x gets hidden. Hover would than expand the tab in order to show the x. The benefit of this approach is that when you move your cursor to a tab the x would appear but not be under your cursor. This would allow more tabs in a panel before compressing to the point of suppressing the short titles and/or linkset icons. This is not a perfect solution and I'm sure others will strongly disagree with me, these are just possibilities that I'm throwing out as I "think aloud".

Mark Kulikovsky

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012270#Comment_1012270

Thanks for your reply Reuben. If you are not seeing the link letters disappear then there is clearly a difference between the Mac and Windows versions. - The Windows version may have a problem! If I closed some of my tabs then some of the remaining tabs would have the link letter but others wouldn't.

I don't have any real issue with the 'x' icon not showing (I think it would certainly look cluttered if they were all there). I was happy with not having the 'x' icon showing in Logos 7 and using a right-mouse click drop-down tab to close menus, but obviously some people wanted it more readily available. I actually don't mind your 'thinking out-loud' suggestion of shrinking the tab when the 'x' is hidden and then expanding it when either hovering over it or moving to that tab. In order to reduce processing and dynamic expansion and contraction of the tab when hovering (which may have performance issues) it may be better to only expand a tab to include its 'x' icon (and perhaps the link letter) when the tab becomes active. That would mean that you would have to click on the tab before seeing the 'x' icon (rather than just hovering over it and it appearing, but I would have thought that running the mouse across the list of tab headers with them dynamically expanding and contracting might be problematic. I'd be interested to see what Faithlife and others think of your suggestion (and my suggested alternative).

Reuben Helmuth

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012280#Comment_1012280

there is clearly a difference between the Mac and Windows versions. - The Windows version may have a problem!

I'm afraid that the conclusion could be that the Mac version has the problem. I can't find the correct post right now, but as I recall the resource icon was the only thing that was supposed to never disappear. Personally, I prefer the linkset staying (like I have it now ;-)).

I actually don't mind your 'thinking out-loud' suggestion of shrinking the tab when the 'x' is hidden and then expanding it when either hovering over it or moving to that tab. In order to reduce processing and dynamic expansion and contraction of the tab when hovering (which may have performance issues) it may be better to only expand a tab to include its 'x' icon (and perhaps the link letter) when the tab becomes active.

I really don't think expanding/contracting (or even moving adjacent tabs accordingly) would take any significant amount of processing power. I'd rather not the close x being limited to the active tab, but on the other hand, I frequently close lots of tabs simultaneously by right-clicking on my 'anchor' resource and choosing "close other tabs", so I'd prefer your alternative to having the space being persistent.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1012048#Comment_1012048

Also, are you aware that you can reopen a closed tab by right-clicking on an open tab and choosing "Reopen closed tab"?

You can also close a tab by right clicking! This is preferable to having a close X that can be accidentally activated whether visible or not.

Mike Childs

Is anyone else really annoyed by accidentally closing tabs in Logos 8 because the close 'x' icon now sits next to the book cover image in each tab header and if you don't position your cursor EXACTLY on the book cover image and are a little to far to the right you end up closing the tab. I have done it so many times and it is really annoying; and so is the need to have to scroll right to access tabs which previously fitted in the pane!

Another voice to add to the 'complaints' about the new tab structure in Logos 8 having tabs which are too large and which also have the close icon in them.

I have had a problem with accidental closing of tabs, yes.

David W

I am having this problem as well. It is way too easy to accidentally close a tab when trying to switch between tabs. This makes the user experience when studying in version 8 VERY frustrating compared to studying in version 7.

This thread did help me learn how to open the last closed resource and the shortcut, but this issue really drives me crazy.

Dan Cleghorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013486#Comment_1013486

I hoped this would be fixed with the new update.

Chris & Angie Walker

I agree this design choice is frustrating as translator who simultaneously uses many tabs. Despite being able re-open tabs it's still frustrating. I would really appreciate a toggle option to allow me to turn off the X in inactive tabs, that way this will not affect those who want to retain this design feature but would relieve frustration for those of us who really do!

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1071800#Comment_1071800

I agree this design choice is frustrating as translator who simultaneously uses many tabs. Despite being able re-open tabs it's still frustrating. I would really appreciate a toggle option to allow me to turn off the X in inactive tabs, that way this will not affect those who want to retain this design feature but would relieve frustration for those of us who really do!

Welcome to the forums Chris and Angie. You make a great suggestion. I would love to be able to turn toggle inactive tabs on and off.

David Betts

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1071814#Comment_1071814

As one who started in Logos 2.0 Beta, and now over $10K, here’s my two shekels.

It’s not Logos’ fault I like to have 50+ tabs open. On a 13” MBP icons are very small, accidental closures too often.
IF at all possible, migrate to a larger screen, and / or figure out how to do “layers.”
I now use a 27” iMac at home, where in both Mac Catalina & Win10 [via VMWare Fusion 11.5] it is possible to snap windows to half screen, appearing to have 2 monitors [w/ Mac Magnet]. I can have Logos on left, MSWord on right. Or Logos in both halves, just like two monitors. I’ve learned to save layouts with different names for 27" or 13”, as they do appear differently.
Instead of having all windows on one layer, Alt-Tab or Cmd-Tab to different layers. They can’t be read all at same time, so figure out which ones go ‘behind,’ or to a different layer.

I link Bibles to B, Concordances to C (Strong’s, BrillDAG, DBL etc), Dictionaries to D, Encyclopedia to E, Auxilary info to A, Duplicated Bibles to F. Duplicate a Bible to other screen half, send links to that so the Bible being studied stays put.
As pointed out in recent Logos webinar, another solution is 2 (or more) monitors.

I hope this may help those who really want to know and walk with The Most High Eternal One (Amos 3:3), and YHWH in The Flesh – His son Jesus Christ Yeshua ha Meshiach. Information must become Transformation or we have big head / little heart. We must keep moving from milk to full maturity (He6:1,2; Ep4:13b; Jn4:34).

Blessings, and Shalom!

David
Jude 3

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1071814#Comment_1071814

I agree this design choice is frustrating as translator who simultaneously uses many tabs. Despite being able re-open tabs it's still frustrating. I would really appreciate a toggle option to allow me to turn off the X in inactive tabs, that way this will not affect those who want to retain this design feature but would relieve frustration for those of us who really do!

Welcome to the forums Chris and Angie. You make a great suggestion. I would love to be able to turn toggle inactive tabs on and off.

An option that lets me reduce the number of times I accidentally close a tab is a good option in my book.

Sean

Bumping this thread after way too many times of having to press CTRL-SHIFT-T today.

Any chance of seeing any improvement with this anytime soon?

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1084127#Comment_1084127

Bumping this thread after way too many times of having to press CTRL-SHIFT-T today.

Any chance of seeing any improvement with this anytime soon?

You could post to the Logos 9 Wishlist thread.

Donnie Hale

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1084140#Comment_1084140

The litany of problems with "tabs" behavior and appearance goes back to the release of L8:

https://community.logos.com/forums/p/174066/1005146.aspx

Phil Gons said they were considering correcting / improving it, but I've not seen any evidence of actual changes since then.

It's super-frustrating.

-Donnie

Dave Knowles

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1084153#Comment_1084153

Add me to the list of users who experiences frequent and unintended tab closings. As previously suggested, perhaps the right-click closure option could be maintained while either the closing "x" could be removed, or disabled through settings.

Dan Cleghorn

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1071800#Comment_1071800

I agree this design choice is frustrating as translator who simultaneously uses many tabs. Despite being able re-open tabs it's still frustrating. I would really appreciate a toggle option to allow me to turn off the X in inactive tabs, that way this will not affect those who want to retain this design feature but would relieve frustration for those of us who really do!

I still agree. The shortcut, mentioned above, is still the only fix.

DMB

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1084153#Comment_1084153

The litany of problems with "tabs" behavior and appearance goes back to the release of L8:

I wondered what the issue was. My L7 tabs didn't seem to be a problem.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1112870#Comment_1112870

I wondered what the issue was. My L7 tabs didn't seem to be a problem.

Change in the size of tabs and the spacing of information on them ... essentially to meet the needs of those who keep many tabs open.

SineNomine

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1112871#Comment_1112871

Is there a UserVoice suggestion for this feature improvement somewhere? My understanding is that FaithLife pays attention to the vote counts of UserVoice feature requests.

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1112907#Comment_1112907

Is there a UserVoice suggestion for this feature improvement somewhere?

15 Votes => Fix too-easy-tab-close

13 Votes => Make "reopen closed tab" an option (dreaming of Close Tab adding location to Tools => History)

Also found 10 Votes => Mac version: it would be great to have the tabs function as they do in Safari browser, whereby closing the tab is an 'x' within the tab. that could be marked completed.

Keep Smiling [:)]

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1112925#Comment_1112925

13 Votes => Make "reopen closed tab" an option (dreaming of Close Tab adding location to Tools => History)

Note this is available on the tab menu and as a key shortcut

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :)

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1112929#Comment_1112929

13 Votes => Make "reopen closed tab" an option (dreaming of Close Tab adding location to Tools => History)

Note this is available on the tab menu and as a key shortcut

Thanks = Living & Learning one more UserVoice status should be changed to Completed

Keep Smiling [:)]

ralph wilson

This is STILL a design problem. Yes, I can reopen closed tabs, but it is way to easy to close them accidentally! Please fix this. Such as a "Lock tabs" option.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1174012#Comment_1174012

Please fix this. Such as a "Lock tabs" option.

I'm pleased you offered a concrete suggestion - please add it to Roadmap | Faithlife -- it is an appropriate solution for those who experience the problem.

Dave Hooton

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1174024#Comment_1174024

I'm pleased you offered a concrete suggestion - please add it to Roadmap | Faithlife

Better yet, support this suggestion https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-desktop-app/posts/hide-the-x-for-closing and advertise it in the Logos 9 forum.

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1174048#Comment_1174048

Better? perhaps, but I personally support the lock but not the hide hence the suggestion to add it.

Brandon Black

I also have this problem all the time and it is tedious to have to reopen stuff when it could be avoided. Other tabbed browsers I use do not have this feature (the x does not appear until selecting the tab) so it is counter intuitive here. Also, the x area takes up a lot of space. We could see twice as many resources without the hidden x feature on the tab, or we could see the short names more often.

Usually, in my case, I go and click the tab without the x ever having appeared and the tab just closes instead of opens. I use the reopen tab feature, but this could be a relatively easy fix.