Bible Illustrator Formatting

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013289#Comment_1013289

Mine does...oops! Nevermind, this is my WORDsearch Edition 😜

Levi Durfey

I am seeing the same thing as DAL at Studylight.org:

It's been awhile since I have looked at the print edition, but if I recall correctly, the formatting was like what we see in Logos.

I've been toying with a Visual Filter to make the heading numbers stand out, but the Visual Filters do not recognize punctuation marks. So it sees (1) as 1 and highlights all the 1's instead of just the (1)'s.

GaoLu

I think I will hang on to the old PB I had of this.

Myke Harbuck

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013286#Comment_1013286

Mine does...oops! Nevermind, this is my WORDsearch Edition 😜

Wow. That DOES look nice! But I'll take a poorly formatted book in Logos over perfectly formatted books in WordSearch any day, mainly because WordSearch refuses to bring their interface and tools up to par. It's such an archaic system - even the mobile app and the web app. And it's a shame they wont REALLY invest in WordSearch...it has so much potential to be a good Bible software platform one day.

But I suppose the low price of their books prohibits them from raising the capital needed to improve the software. Yet another reason why Logos book prices might be fairer than we think sometimes.

Ben Amundgaard (Faithlife)

Below is a screenshot of the Bible Illustrator Commentary. As you can see there are no paragraph breaks and in fact this goes on for 9 pages. I do not have the print version, so this may be the way it was written, but it is difficult for me to read and find what I am looking for in the text.

Any chance this could be formatted to include paragraphs?

John, I agree that it's very difficult to use in this format.

I can say that this is what was in our source files (or at least the version of them that I looked at).

I've pinged Kyle, he may be able to take a look and see what we can do.

George

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013299#Comment_1013299

At least some of the print editions were formatted like that.

Here is the link for the same volume on archive.org

https://archive.org/details/biblicalillustra451exel/page/388

Awful, indeed.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013299#Comment_1013299

Thanks Ben!

Below is a screenshot of the Bible Illustrator Commentary. As you can see there are no paragraph breaks and in fact this goes on for 9 pages. I do not have the print version, so this may be the way it was written, but it is difficult for me to read and find what I am looking for in the text.

Any chance this could be formatted to include paragraphs?

John--

It was mentioned later in the thread that this is how the print was formatted and I we followed the print.

But what you asked for can absolutely be done.

Our production team actually asked about this when producing the volume on 1 John and I suggested doing something similar to what other e-versions had done. At the time I failed to think that it probably extended into the rest of the series.

That being said could you take a look at the volume on 1 John and let me know how the formatting works for you there?

Some of the paragraphs are still very long and could be broken up even further. At the time I was considering breaking them up into even smaller paragraphs along the Roman Numeral division but I was afraid that the division would be too small and would lose readability. It was a tricky line we were trying to balance.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013344#Comment_1013344

Hi Kyle,

Thanks for the follow up.

I am not on my Mac, but using the web app I do not see much difference in the 1 John volume. Just breaks at italicized headings. Modern readers are used to many more breaks in the flow of text. Unless I am detail reading, I skim to get to the information that is pertinent. I know, not a good habit, but I know I am not alone. Breaks in the text make this much easier.

Comparable to the example provided by DAL from a competitor would be great.

Thanks for the follow up.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013360#Comment_1013360

Hi Kyle,

Thanks for the follow up.

I am not on my Mac, but using the web app I do not see much difference in the 1 John volume. Just breaks at italicized headings. Modern readers are used to many more breaks in the flow of text. Unless I am detail reading, I skim to get to the information that is pertinent. I know, not a good habit, but I know I am not alone. Breaks in the text make this much easier.

Comparable to the example provided by DAL from a competitor would be great.

Thanks for the follow up.

Thanks John!

That's enough for me to go with.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013367#Comment_1013367

Hi Kyle,

Thanks for the follow up.

I am not on my Mac, but using the web app I do not see much difference in the 1 John volume. Just breaks at italicized headings. Modern readers are used to many more breaks in the flow of text. Unless I am detail reading, I skim to get to the information that is pertinent. I know, not a good habit, but I know I am not alone. Breaks in the text make this much easier.

Comparable to the example provided by DAL from a competitor would be great.

Thanks for the follow up.

Thanks John!

That's enough for me to go with.

Glad to see this will get worked on! I thought my eyes were going to melt when I first tried to use this resource! I agree w/ the above as well. I really like the way DAL's photo formatted it as that would make these much easier to read.

Thank you Kyle!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1017726#Comment_1017726

PS Don't forget about the Acts volume as it wasn't included in the L8 bundle. I don't own it but I would guess it would need to have its formatting look at as well

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1017750#Comment_1017750

PS Don't forget about the Acts volume as it wasn't included in the L8 bundle. I don't own it but I would guess it would need to have its formatting look at as well

It was available at one point for $40 bucks, but then it mysteriously disappeared 💨🌬🌪

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1017759#Comment_1017759

I feel bad for Logos Having to do double the work on the formatting of this set. Live amd learn, I guess.

Accordance literally just released their version of the BI and it‘s outined the way it should be. Not to mention that their version is $54.99 introductory price and $99.99 regular price (for both Old and New Testaments!). Why does Logos/FL insists on selling public domain resources at such high prices? And please, don’t use the tagging excuse, because Accordance is just as good if not better in some things.

DAL

MJ. Smith

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1018653#Comment_1018653

And please, don’t use the tagging excuse, because Accordance is just as good if not better in some things.

How many of the Accordance advantages correspond to features that in Logos depend on tagging? Just saying, you need to review your truth table here [:D]

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1018654#Comment_1018654

And please, don’t use the tagging excuse, because Accordance is just as good if not better in some things.

How many of the Accordance advantages correspond to features that in Logos depend on tagging? Just saying, you need to review your truth table here

MJ you’re a night owl 🦉 but it’s early morning already...go get some sleep 😴 💤 🛏 👍😁👌

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1013344#Comment_1013344

John--

It was mentioned later in the thread that this is how the print was formatted and I we followed the print.

But what you asked for can absolutely be done.

Hey FL Team! Any progress? I was reading through the BI Peter volume this morning and it reminded me of this thread.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1034323#Comment_1034323

John--

It was mentioned later in the thread that this is how the print was formatted and I we followed the print.

But what you asked for can absolutely be done.

Hey FL Team! Any progress? I was reading through the BI Peter volume this morning and it reminded me of this thread.

Sorry. None yet. There were a handful of projects ahead of it in line but its on the list.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1034521#Comment_1034521

Kyle,

I think the OT version is in pre pub. Can you state whether the same problem will be present when it is released or will they be properly formatted?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1034553#Comment_1034553

Kyle,

I think the OT version is in pre pub. Can you state whether the same problem will be present when it is released or will they be properly formatted?

That would be pretty helpful to know - probably the main deciding factor on whether I keep it in my prepub or not.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1034554#Comment_1034554

Kyle,

I think the OT version is in pre pub. Can you state whether the same problem will be present when it is released or will they be properly formatted?

That would be pretty helpful to know - probably the main deciding factor on whether I keep it in my prepub or not.

No. We'll adjust the print formatting so it's more readable in the digital format.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1034558#Comment_1034558

No. We'll adjust the print formatting so it's more readable in the digital format.

If that is the case - then it looks like a keeper. Thanks for the response.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1034553#Comment_1034553

Please advise the status of the reformatting of this series.

Thanks!

Mike Tourangeau

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056274#Comment_1056274

Please advise the status of the reformatting of this series.

Thanks!

I just got this set in a recent purchase and noticed the same awful formatting. I am glad something is being done.....is there a time frame for when we will see it fixed?

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056280#Comment_1056280

Thanks for your patience everyone.

We have an update to these volumes ready to go. It will be pushed out on July 23. It should make things much easier to read.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056354#Comment_1056354

Thanks for your patience everyone.

We have an update to these volumes ready to go. It will be pushed out on July 23. It should make things much easier to read.

Thanks for the update 👍😁👌

DAL

Myke Harbuck

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056354#Comment_1056354

Thanks for your patience everyone.

We have an update to these volumes ready to go. It will be pushed out on July 23. It should make things much easier to read.

Exciting news. Thanks Kyle!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056377#Comment_1056377

Thanks Kyle.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056384#Comment_1056384

I appreciate this!

I was wondering with the OT Illustrator community bidding almost complete! Looking forward to the newer formatting.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056385#Comment_1056385

Just so I can set some expectations ahead of time. There will be some differences between the Old Testament and New Testament formatting.

New Testament

Due to some constraints of updating a published resource as opposed to starting from scratch the paragraph divisions will occur in three primary places:

New verse range indicators
Verse range sub-topics. (These are marked off by italics in the text)
Roman Numeral and Small Caps divisions.

There are still a few longer paragraphs but overall the paragraph lengths are about the same size as a modern commentary. The textual formatting should make it easy for a reader to skim the content.

Old Testament

Once this goes into production we'll have the luxury of starting from scratch. This will allow us to do additional formatting for sub-points within the Roman Numeral division.

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056420#Comment_1056420

This is exciting! Thx Kyle. I've stayed away from this series because it gave me a headache trying to read it. It may find some use now

PS I noticed the OT went into production as well so even better!

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056683#Comment_1056683

PS I noticed the OT went into production as well so even better!

Correction it moves into production on 7/19 so get your bids in now if you want it. Currently at $43

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056684#Comment_1056684

The revised formatted versions just uploaded. Thanks for making this resource more readable!

Brad

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1057820#Comment_1057820

Thank you, John, Kyle, and All!

George

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1056420#Comment_1056420

New Testament

Due to some constraints of updating a published resource as opposed to starting from scratch the paragraph divisions will occur in three primary places:

New verse range indicators

Verse range sub-topics. (These are marked off by italics in the text)

Roman Numeral and Small Caps divisions.

Looks much better now. A lot easier to read.

Thank you.

Bruce Dunning

https://community.logos.com/discussion/comment/1057987#Comment_1057987

Looks much better now. A lot easier to read.

Thank you.

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