Free Grace Theology
Is it possible to have a Free Grace/Dispensationalism package? In my opinion, there are enough books based on the topic in logos that it could substainly hold its own package category.Furthermore, it would become very useful to Free Grace colleges and seminaries. Does anyone else feel the same?
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I would purchase this package the instant it became available!0
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Can we have it at no cost and without conditions?!
I jest of course.
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Raises hand!!
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Count me in, unless it cost me of course.
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I'd go for such a package.
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What should it include?
“The trouble is that everyone talks about reforming others and no one thinks about reforming himself.” St. Peter of Alcántara
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At the very least it should include Chafer’s Systematic Theology. Then maybe consider “Freely By His Grace” (various authors).0
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Here is some of the FG material already on Logos.
A Free Grace Primer
by Hodges, Zane C.
Grace Evangelical Society |2011
Free Grace Soteriology, rev. ed.
by Anderson, David R.
Grace Theology Press |2012
Mobile Ed: TH265 Free Grace Theology (12 hour course)
by Wilkin, Robert N., Logos Mobile Education
Lexham Press |2017–2018
Confident in Christ: Living by Faith Really Works
by Wilkin, Robert N.
Grace Evangelical Society |1999
The Road to Reward: Living Today in the Light of Tomorrow
by Wilkin, Robert N.
Grace Evangelical Society |2003
Romans: Deliverance from Wrath
by Hodges, Zane C.
Grace Evangelical Society |2013
Maximum Joy: 1 John—Relationship or Fellowship?
by Anderson, David R.
Grace Theology Press |2013
Would love to see great authors like Grant Hawley,Shawn Lazar,Jody Dillow and Lucas Kitchen.0 -
I too would purchase such a package, and I would have friends who would get it too. I'd especially like Logos to add in Jody Dillow's 4th edition to Final Destiny to Logos.
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Austin Decker said:
I'd especially like Logos to add in Jody Dillow's 4th edition to Final Destiny to Logos.
This is available on the Faithlife ebooks site at https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/167868/final-destiny-the-future-reign-of-the-servant-kings-4th-edition
(I wasn't sure if you were referring to its availability or suggesting inclusion in a package but thought it worth pointing out it was available)
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Jacobs, Coty M. said:
Here is some of the FG material already on Logos.
I put those and some more into a Reading List:
Have joy in the Lord!
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Graham Criddle said:Austin Decker said:
I'd especially like Logos to add in Jody Dillow's 4th edition to Final Destiny to Logos.
This is available on the Faithlife ebooks site at https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/167868/final-destiny-the-future-reign-of-the-servant-kings-4th-edition
ooops, I even own this one and had overlooked that! List updated. Should all the books published by Grace Theology Press on ebooks.faithlife.com be put onto the reading list?
Have joy in the Lord!
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Oh interesting I didn’t know you could do that!
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I would be interested in such a package!
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In addition to what's been mentioned, these two resources would belong well in a Free Grace Theology base package:
The first one above was a part of a base package at some point.
eChristianResources.com - Connecting Christians With Quality Evangelical Resources Available For FREE On The Internet (including links to free Logos/Vyrso resources!)
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Sorry if this is slightly of topic, but can any one suggest the best 2 or 3 books that clearly describe what Free Grace is and isn't (not from a critical viewpoint unless a Free Grace proponent can recommend it!).
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JohnB said:
Sorry if this is slightly of topic, but can any one suggest the best 2 or 3 books that clearly describe what Free Grace is and isn't (not from a critical viewpoint unless a Free Grace proponent can recommend it!).
1. Final Destiny 4th editon by Dr. Jospeh Dillow (This is the best in my opinion)
2. A Free Grace Primer by Zane Hodges (former prof at DTS)
3. Free Grace Soteriology by Dr Dave Anderson (President of ATS accredited Grace School of Theology)
4. So Great Salvation by Dr. Charles Ryrie (Simple, clear, and short - not the best though)
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I think one of the challenges, for Faithlife Corp., would be to assign someone to oversee the selection, and make sure the volumes included qualify as "Free Grace." Since this is a relatively new movement, there is a danger of causing dissension over which books ought to be included, and which ones ought to be excluded.
Normally, and traditionally, "packages" have included some basic and cornerstone publications: Bibles, commentaries, lexicons, etc.
I think a good technical term to use here might be a "Series." Or "Collection." That would be easier in the doing, and wouldn't involve as many within the Logos staffing.
But the issue remains: who will be the final authority as to what gets included or excluded?
This is a phenomenal idea, and I think Logos wouldn't mind considering it...as long as we get our ducks in a row. They can't afford any legal quagmires, or fierce criticisms. After all, it is a business, and depends upon a high percentage of happy customers to exist.
Blessings.
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I created a Free Grace Bibliography from the books I own.
I believe you can click on the link to make it available in your library.
If I can figure out how to share my collection I will make it available. I can't find how to do that in my docs.
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For some reason it says I cannot see it at this time.
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Paul L. White said:
I think one of the challenges, for Faithlife Corp., would be to assign someone to oversee the selection, and make sure the volumes included qualify as "Free Grace." Since this is a relatively new movement, there is a danger of causing dissension over which books ought to be included, and which ones ought to be excluded.
Normally, and traditionally, "packages" have included some basic and cornerstone publications: Bibles, commentaries, lexicons, etc.
I think a good technical term to use here might be a "Series." Or "Collection." That would be easier in the doing, and wouldn't involve as many within the Logos staffing.
But the issue remains: who will be the final authority as to what gets included or excluded?
This is a phenomenal idea, and I think Logos wouldn't mind considering it...as long as we get our ducks in a row. They can't afford any legal quagmires, or fierce criticisms. After all, it is a business, and depends upon a high percentage of happy customers to exist.
Blessings.
I’m sure they can talk to Grace School of Theology in order to come up with a recommended book system
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Paul L. White said:
I think one of the challenges, for Faithlife Corp., would be to assign someone to oversee the selection, and make sure the volumes included qualify as "Free Grace." Since this is a relatively new movement, there is a danger of causing dissension over which books ought to be included, and which ones ought to be excluded.
Normally, and traditionally, "packages" have included some basic and cornerstone publications: Bibles, commentaries, lexicons, etc.
I think a good technical term to use here might be a "Series." Or "Collection." That would be easier in the doing, and wouldn't involve as many within the Logos staffing.
But the issue remains: who will be the final authority as to what gets included or excluded?
This is a phenomenal idea, and I think Logos wouldn't mind considering it...as long as we get our ducks in a row. They can't afford any legal quagmires, or fierce criticisms. After all, it is a business, and depends upon a high percentage of happy customers to exist.
Blessings.
I’m sure they can talk to Grace School of Theology in order to come up with a recommended book system
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Paul L. White said:
I think one of the challenges, for Faithlife Corp., would be to assign someone to oversee the selection, and make sure the volumes included qualify as "Free Grace." Since this is a relatively new movement, there is a danger of causing dissension over which books ought to be included, and which ones ought to be excluded.
Normally, and traditionally, "packages" have included some basic and cornerstone publications: Bibles, commentaries, lexicons, etc.
I think a good technical term to use here might be a "Series." Or "Collection." That would be easier in the doing, and wouldn't involve as many within the Logos staffing.
But the issue remains: who will be the final authority as to what gets included or excluded?
This is a phenomenal idea, and I think Logos wouldn't mind considering it...as long as we get our ducks in a row. They can't afford any legal quagmires, or fierce criticisms. After all, it is a business, and depends upon a high percentage of happy customers to exist.
Blessings.
I’m sure they can talk to Grace School of Theology in order to come up with a recommended book system
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John,
When I try to get it, and click on "Details," it says your file(s) are listed as "private." Can you find a way to change the listing to "public?" Thank you so much.
Paul
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Thanks, Coty, that's a good idea!
Paul
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Jacobs, Coty M. said:
Is it possible to have a Free Grace/Dispensationalism package? In my opinion, there are enough books based on the topic in logos that it could substainly hold its own package category.Furthermore, it would become very useful to Free Grace colleges and seminaries. Does anyone else feel the same?
prior to creating a base package or base package flavor line, Logos typically offers a "library builder" package that bundles a lot of the books relevant to the respective group. Maybe if you post a cross-post under the "Suggestions" subforum, this will catch the eyes of the people responsible for such products.
Have joy in the Lord!
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Paul L. White said:
John,
When I try to get it, and click on "Details," it says your file(s) are listed as "private." Can you find a way to change the listing to "public?" Thank you so much.
Paul
Log in to your software and it should be there.
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NB.Mick said:Jacobs, Coty M. said:
Is it possible to have a Free Grace/Dispensationalism package? In my opinion, there are enough books based on the topic in logos that it could substainly hold its own package category.Furthermore, it would become very useful to Free Grace colleges and seminaries. Does anyone else feel the same?
prior to creating a base package or base package flavor line, Logos typically offers a "library builder" package that bundles a lot of the books relevant to the respective group. Maybe if you post a cross-post under the "Suggestions" subforum, this will catch the eyes of the people responsible for such products.
Interesting, thank you for this information.
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Paul L. White said:
John,
When I try to get it, and click on "Details," it says your file(s) are listed as "private." Can you find a way to change the listing to "public?" Thank you so much.
Paul
It should now be available in your public documents under Free Grace Bibliography and the Collection should be Grace. You can then just add them to your Docs.
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John Brumett said:
It should now be available in your public documents under Free Grace Bibliography and the Collection should be Grace.
The collection is built mainly from the rule mytag:grace, which unfortunately will give totally different results for all who use this. I suggest when intending to share a collection like that, to filter the library according to the relevant tag and then to move the books to the PLUS section of the collection.
Is the collection intended to include the books shown in the bibliography? What would be of interest to me (and potentially to Faithlife, should they try to build a library builder bundle or a Base Package) is the rationale behind the books included, such as
- all from those authors: ..........
- all from those publishers: .........
- this commentary (series): ........
- this study bible: ............
- those additional books, because: .............
(I wouldn't have known to include some of the resources into my RL mentioned above)
Have joy in the Lord!
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NB.Mick said:Jacobs, Coty M. said:
Here is some of the FG material already on Logos.
I put those and some more into a Reading List:
I tried to add Tom Constable's Expository Bible Study Notes| Constable, Tom. but it would not let me.
Tom Constable's Expository Bible Study Notes
by Constable, Tom
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Galaxie Software 2003
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Jacobs, Coty M. said:
I tried to add Tom Constable's Expository Bible Study Notes| Constable, Tom. but it would not let me.
I put it in.
Did the editor tell you someone else had just changed something? Or what didn't work - after all I saw you added Dispensationalism as a related topic.
EDIT: I updated the RL to include the bible study books from Grace Theology Press which are available through ebooks.faithlife.com (discussed on page 1)
That's how it looks right now:
Have joy in the Lord!
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Just wanted to thank everyone for the hard work you've put into this project.
Thanks to Coty's advice, I was able to open my Logos software, and thanks to the links provided, find both the Docs lists and the Reader's List in my software.
It looks like I'm missing quite a few from my library...Grrrr...but I do have a couple. Can't imagine how much time it took to compile these lists; sure took enough time to find them, and how to access them from within the software.
Blessings to all, every single one!
Paul
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Incredibly timely thread since I'm working through a teaching on this topic w/ my church right now. My question is, do any of the above resources list the main scriptures used to argue against free grace and counter-arguments all in on place (versus searching book by book as in the Grace NTC)?
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Dennis Davis said:
Incredibly timely thread since I'm working through a teaching on this topic w/ my church right now. My question is, do any of the above resources list the main scriptures used to argue against free grace and counter-arguments all in on place (versus searching book by book as in the Grace NTC)?
Yes, Final Destiny by Jody Dillow will give you every counter perspective against Free Grace Theology that was in writing up to 2012. Final Destiny is a one stop shop for everything free grace just make sure to read all the footnotes too.
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Final Destiny for sure
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Strange, I am not seeing that book in the store?
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Someone posted the link earlier in this forum
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Dennis Davis said:
Strange, I am not seeing that book in the store?
It's in the faithlife ebook-store, not on logos.com: https://ebooks.faithlife.com/products/167868
Have joy in the Lord!
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Thanks for the link, Graham.
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Found it. Graham posted in on page 1 of this post. Thanks.
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I'm not familiar with "Free Grace." Is this once saved, always saved doctrine?
Thanks.
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Susan W. Murphy said:
I'm not familiar with "Free Grace." Is this once saved, always saved doctrine?
Thanks.
Susan MurphyI would say "a variant of". But you can believe in "once saved, always saved" without being necessarily in the "free grace" camp.
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Susan W. Murphy said:
I'm not familiar with "Free Grace." Is this once saved, always saved doctrine?
Others may be able to refine my understanding, but I think of "Free Grace" (Hodges) and "Lordship Salvation" (MacArthur) as ends of a continuum. It depends upon one's understanding of repentance. At one end a person is justified purely as a free gift of God by simple faith (what some may call "easy believeism"). At the other end of the continuum is a person who is justified by God's grace in response to personal faith and repentance. At the "Free Grace" end is the idea that an infant plays no role in his/her birth. At the Lordship end is the idea that "If Jesus isn't Lord of all, then He isn't Lord at all." Both would agree that Biblical Repentance is a gracious gift that comes from God, but the disagreement comes in how repentance manifests itself.
I hope this is helpful and mean no disrespect to my brothers and sisters who disagree with my summary of the issue.
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Miss Susan,
The simplest way I know to describe "Free Grace" is the saying: "faith alone in Christ alone."
In other words, "not of works lest any man [person] should boast."
As opposed to, as mentioned above, "if He's not Lord of all, He's not Lord at all." In other words, God saved us, and all we have to do is believe it, and it is ours. Receive it. Grace is Free.
Some of the people in this Forum belong to a Free Grace group on Facebook. If you're interested, please let us know, and we'll give you the exact name of the group so you can apply for membership.
The only caveat is that it is presumed you believe in a "no works" Salvation.
Paul L White
Logos User since version 1.6
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Austin Decker said:JohnB said:
Sorry if this is slightly of topic, but can any one suggest the best 2 or 3 books that clearly describe what Free Grace is and isn't (not from a critical viewpoint unless a Free Grace proponent can recommend it!).
1. Final Destiny 4th editon by Dr. Jospeh Dillow (This is the best in my opinion)
2. A Free Grace Primer by Zane Hodges (former prof at DTS)
3. Free Grace Soteriology by Dr Dave Anderson (President of ATS accredited Grace School of Theology)
4. So Great Salvation by Dr. Charles Ryrie (Simple, clear, and short - not the best though)
Great thanks. Gone for number 1 .
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Paul Caneparo said:Susan W. Murphy said:
I'm not familiar with "Free Grace." Is this once saved, always saved doctrine?
Thanks.
Susan MurphyI would say "a variant of". But you can believe in "once saved, always saved" without being necessarily in the "free grace" camp.
Thanks for the reply. This terminology is new to me even though I've been a Christian years.
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David,
This is very helpful.
Thanks.
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Dear Mr. White,
Thanks for the info. This is very helpful.
Susan Murphy0
