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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 9:29 AM

JT (alabama24):
Unfortunately many (most!) Macs don't allow for that any more as the drives are attached to the board

Yes - but this is a Windows questionSmile

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JT (alabama24) | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 11:38 AM

As long as the forums are merged, I’ll comment when I please. Stick out tongue

Two thoughts: first, my main point followed (I.e. “I used the same advice.”) Second, the comment is still appropriate for many windows computers which do the same. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 2:36 PM

Jan Krohn:
When I do a full wipe, I always make a list of downloads and license keys beforehand. This is also always a good opportunity to make a decision about every piece of software whether it's still needed.

You also have to know if software is still supported  i.e. visit their website to see if there is a version for 10. Note that an in-place upgrade of 10 will reinstall what it can, advise you to reinstall after the upgrade, or tell you it is incompatible!

However, I have been able to install software that was designed for Win 95! But the crucial issue is whether your peripherals will still work e.g. drivers and software for printers.

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 5:21 PM

Dave Hooton:
You also have to know if software is still supported  i.e. visit their website to see if there is a version for 10. Note that an in-place upgrade of 10 will reinstall what it can, advise you to reinstall after the upgrade, or tell you it is incompatible!

Excellent point! This is usually not a problem for free software, as it gets updated to support newer Windows versions regularly. It can become an issue with paid software easily.

Dave Hooton:
However, I have been able to install software that was designed for Win 95! But the crucial issue is whether your peripherals will still work e.g. drivers and software for printers.

Printer drivers can usually be installed via Windows Update (unless you have a really exotic printer). The new Windows 10 driver for my HP OfficeJet that came through Windows Update is even better and provides more functions than the original Windows 8 driver that was shipped with the device.

But it can work the other way too. The generic Win 10 scanner driver for my device has no way to access the buttons on my scanner. That's quite inconvenient for multi-page documents. But as long as the scanner operates via software controls, why scrap it? (Any device without Win 10 support is likely at the end of its life span anyway.)

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Bill Anderson | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 6:26 PM

Paul L. White:

For those of us with Windows 7 on our machines, the requirement for Windows 10 starting January of 2020 brings something of a dilemma.  We are going to have to either purchase that OS and install it on each of our current computers, or simply buy another one with Windows 10 already on it.

Just so you know, you are still able to update a validly-licensed copy of Windows 7 to Windows 10 without charge. Microsoft had a program in place for this that technically expired in 2016. However, you can still use the method to install Windows 10 for free on your Windows 7 computer. It's legal and legit. I did it about 2 months ago on my mom's Windows 7 computer.

Here is the link: Here's how you can still get a free Windows 10 upgrade

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 27 2019 11:27 PM

Bill Anderson,

Thank you so much.  And man do I wish I had heard from you back in April!  :-) 

The phrase "it's legal and legit" is what I couldn't get from my Googled sources.  I kept reading "I'm not a lawyer, but...." and then "you can download."

So, since I want this for purposes of personal and, I hope, once-again, church ministry, I thought I'd better *make sure* I was legal, and bought a USB drive version of Windows 10 Professional from Amazon.

I sure appreciate your advice, and time, and information.  I am going to save that link, in case I want to try doing that on my laptop.  But I think it's a bit too old for Windows 10, as it is slower than the PC I'm now using, but has almost identical configuration (except for the video card added to this machine).

Gotta love advice from someone with the same name as one of my favorite Country Music singers!!!  Big Smile

Oh, PS: this machine I am using is a "refurbished" one bought 2 or 3 years ago from Sears.  A technician worked on it to add memory, an extra hard drive for data, and remove all of the viruses (both my laptop and this machine are "refurbished" versions, and both had 26 viruses that needed to be removed).

What I'm *hoping*, and I may be just ignorant, is that, by having a full and paid for version, it can correct any deficiencies that were in the refurbished version of Windows 7.  I presume the refurishers do some sort of gerry-rigging to make the install process faster, and it may not be a perfect install from them.  I, obviously, don't know for sure, but hope I'm removing any doubtful installation issues with this purchased version of Windows 10.  Blessings.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 28 2019 12:38 AM

Paul L. White:
What I'm *hoping*, and I may be just ignorant, is that, by having a full and paid for version, it can correct any deficiencies that were in the refurbished version of Windows 7.  I presume the refurishers do some sort of gerry-rigging to make the install process faster,

If you didn't get an original MS Win install disk, the Win 7 license could be 'invalid' and you'll have problems  when trying to install on top of Win 7 (particularly with a free Win 10). Doing a fresh install with your paid version (wiping Win 7) would avoid any problems.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 28 2019 1:24 AM

Dave,

Arrgh!  :-)  I just finished finding a way to get the product key with a vbs script I copied and pasted into notepad, and saved as a .vbs file.  So I will be sure and print those out before I start with Windows 10 install.

I was thinking I would go ahead and *try* to install Windows 10 over the Win 7, and let it keep the programs, just to see what would happen.  I presume the option of Installing and removing the programs would still exist, if that first process didn't work.

Are you saying that you have to manually delete everything on Drive C *before* the Win 10 install?  I keep my data files, for the most part, on a separate hard drive ("D"), and was planning to back those up before installing Windows 10.

If you choose to do a "fresh install," will Windows 10 go head and wipe the hard drive for  you?  Thanks.

PS  I think it's possible, is it not, to save the Logos data files, before Windows 10 installs, to a data drive, then copy them back after it is finished, and save the 13 or 14 hours necessary to download and install a new Logos version?

Thanks for your time.

As a footnote, and you seem to be an administrator type person, I really respect Graham Criddle, and feel he was disrespected after his comment.  Do I  have a right to complain about that?  Thanks.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 28 2019 1:42 AM

Paul L. White:
PS  I think it's possible, is it not, to save the Logos data files, before Windows 10 installs, to a data drive, then copy them back after it is finished, and save the 13 or 14 hours necessary to download and install a new Logos version?

Please see https://wiki.logos.com/Quick_Installation_onto_multiple_computers for some options on this (choose either Option 2 or 3)

Paul L. White:
As a footnote, and you seem to be an administrator type person, I really respect Graham Criddle, and feel he was disrespected after his comment.  Do I  have a right to complain about that?  Thanks.

And please don't feel any need to complain on my behalf - I didn't feel any disrepect at all! But I appreciate your concern.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 28 2019 1:52 AM

Thank you, Graham.  Saved the link.

Appreciate your other note as well.  Salute!

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Jan Krohn | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 28 2019 6:41 AM

Paul L. White:
If you choose to do a "fresh install," will Windows 10 go head and wipe the hard drive for  you?  Thanks.

No, it will move all files belonging to the previous Windows version to a new folder WINDOWS.OLD. You can choose to wipe your C: drive though, so be extra careful during installation not to pick the wrong option.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 28 2019 7:08 AM

Okay, Jan, thanks.

What I was fishing for was whether or not we have to delete everything by hand before installing Windows 10.  What I understand you to say is that there is an option to do that for you during the Install process, just be sure not to select it, if that's not what you want.

I am hoping that if "leaving the programs in place" option causes problems, the Install program will allow me to "try again," and the second time go ahead and remove the old programs, *or* wipe the drive.

Thank you for spending so much time with me.  I really appreciate it.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 28 2019 12:48 PM

Paul L. White:
I am hoping that if "leaving the programs in place" option causes problems, the Install program will allow me to "try again," and the second time go ahead and remove the old programs, *or* wipe the drive.

With a paid Win 10 you will have those options.

When I say "wiping Win 7" it will be the C: drive only. Always backup data on the C: drive before starting.

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Paul L. White | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 29 2019 11:37 PM

Thank you so much, Dave.  I appreciate your kindness and expertise.

I suspect you'll get busier than who knows what when January of 2020 rolls around!  Smile

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