Bug: Frequency of ὁμολογέω in 1 John per 1000 words

On 2 different family computers in Logos 8 I look at "confess" in (NASB 1995) 1 John 1:9, lemma ὁμολογέω, Bible Word Study. Specifically, I look at ὁμολογέω in NASB95 | Number of Results in Book / 1000 Words in Book.

As best I can tell I am doing exactly the samething on both computers.Both computers correctly show 5 occurrences of ὁμολογέω in 1 Jn, but one computer reports 0.98 and the other reports 1.96 occurrences per 1000 words in 1 Jn.

Any ideas?

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MJ. Smith

I would need screen shots (attach via the paper clip icon) to see what the difference is in your queries.

Harry Hahne

Both computers correctly show 5 occurrences of ὁμολογέω in 1 Jn, but one computer reports 0.98 and the other reports 1.96 occurrences per 1000 words in 1 Jn.

Is there any chance that you are searching a different Bible on the other computer?

If I do this search on the NASB 1995, the number of results / 1000 words is 0.98. For the NIV, I get 1.98. On the NA28 Greek New Testament, I get 2.34.

Of course, the most meaningful statistic would be in the Greek New Testament, if you are interested in the relative frequency of a Greek lemma. For English Bibles, the number would vary because the translators may choose to translate a single Greek word with a phrase rather than a single word.

NB.Mick

If I do this search on the NASB 1995, the number of results / 1000 words is 0.98.

Hm. Sometimes 0.98, sometimes 1.96 for me - and I even get it to display both results next to each other:

This is definitely a bug - one of the displays is wrong. Maybe it has a counter for occurrences that is not reset to zero and thus counts twice on the second run?

NB.Mick

Of course, the most meaningful statistic would be in the Greek New Testament, if you are interested in the relative frequency of a Greek lemma. For English Bibles, the number would vary because the translators may choose to translate a single Greek word with a phrase rather than a single word.

possibly the only meaningful statistic here.

EDIT:

Since the question is there, even if it is not meaningful, it would be interesting to see which of both figures is correct. I ran a concordance on 1 Jn in NASB - the surface text has 2,553 bible words, i.e. the five occurrences of the Greek lemma will give a relative frequency of 1.96 per 1,000 words in 1 Jn. This seems to explain the 1.96 calculated ratio, the 0.98 seems wrong.

Harry Hahne

This is definitely a bug

I can confirm that there is a bug causing inconsistent statistics for Number of Results in Book / 1000 Words in Book.

This is a very significant bug, because a scholar publishing research conclusions based on incorrect statistics would at best be embarrassed but at worst would be discredited.

I did a search on the NA28 for ὁμολογέω and generated the graph for Number of Results in Book / 1000 Words in Book. When I did this twice I got 1.17 one time and 2.34 the second time. Sadly, when turned on logging Logos decided to behave and be consistent, so I cannot show a log with the 2 outcomes. However, Logos is reporting half of the correct number.

The concordance tool reports 2140 Greek lemmas in the NA28 Greek New Testament. There are 5 occurrences of ὁμολογέω in 1 John. Therefore, in the NA28 the correct Number of Results in Book / 1000 Words in Book should be 2.3364 (or rounded to 2.34). However, the graph shows 1.17, which is exactly half of the correct number.

I am using Logos 8.5 Beta 1. I have attached a log for troubleshooting.

4604.Logos Log Files - Hahne -04-30-19 (1219).zip

NB.Mick

I assume the OP runs 8.4 stable, but since we both see the bug on beta (and the beta forum is more closely monitored regarding bugs), I crossposted at https://community.logos.com/forums/t/181064.aspx to bring this to FL's attention.

Lance Dare

I am getting the correct result if I search the NASB, but in searching the Greek New Testament I am getting the "half answer".

Dave Hooton

Bump for Faithlife.

Phil Gons (Logos)

Got it. I added it to our list of important academic bugs to fix in Q2/Q3.

Bradley Grainger (Logos)

Sometimes 0.98, sometimes 1.96 for me - and I even get it to display both results next to each other:

We fixed a bug that could cause the results to be consistently good, or consistently bad (half the expected number) on a per-machine basis (what the OP reported).

However, we were not able to reproduce variation in the results on a single machine, especially not side-by-side. NB.Mick, please test again with 8.5 Beta 5 and let us know if you can reproduce the behaviour you reported above.

NB.Mick

NB.Mick, please test again with 8.5 Beta 5 and let us know if you can reproduce the behaviour you reported above.

I just did - I couldn't get Logos 8.5 Beta 5 produce a wrong number in the results/1000 words in book chart. Apparently, it's good now, thanks!