Question on Atlas Tool & Its Status

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Posted: Wed, May 8 2019 6:56 AM

I was playing around with the atlas today and I cannot figure out what this icon does.  It looks like it would repoint the map north but I cannot figure out a way to turn the map.  I checked the atlas documentation file and the pro video (https://www.logos.com/logos-pro/atlas) but neither mention this icon.  Anyone know?

Also I was curious from FL how the atlas is fairing up and when it might be finally completed as I remember it from the L6 days.  Are all the maps in now?  I noticed not every map has a media collection associated with it so is that still forthcoming?  I also noticed on certain maps that changing from Flat to Terrain does nothing except change the colors (See Deborah/Barak maps).

Thx in Advance

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Randy W. Sims | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 8 2019 8:04 AM

Mattillo:
I was playing around with the atlas today and I cannot figure out what this icon does.  It looks like it would repoint the map north but I cannot figure out a way to turn the map.

I don't see it in the documentation (BUG):

Shift + Hold Right Mouse Button + Move left or right => Rotates map

Shift + Arrow Keys left or right => Rotates Map

Shift + Hold Right Mouse Button + Move up or down => Tilts map

Shift + Arrow Keys up or down => Tilts Map

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 8 2019 8:18 AM
Thank you Randy. I hope they add that to the documentation
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Kevin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 8 2019 8:18 AM

Thanks Randy, I did not know about this feature, and I have the map on my main reading page in a link set, the tilt really brings the terrain to life Yes

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 8 2019 9:05 AM

And the mystery-arrow button sets everything aright after being set askew.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 8 2019 9:14 AM

Randy W. Sims:

Mattillo:
I was playing around with the atlas today and I cannot figure out what this icon does.  It looks like it would repoint the map north but I cannot figure out a way to turn the map.

I don't see it in the documentation (BUG):

Shift + Hold Right Mouse Button + Move left or right => Rotates map

Shift + Arrow Keys left or right => Rotates Map

Shift + Hold Right Mouse Button + Move up or down => Tilts map

Shift + Arrow Keys up or down => Tilts Map

This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy).  But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond.  For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

I'm still unclear though as to what the arrow "icon" on the map is for or how to use it.

EDIT:  Oops!  Just read GaoLu's post.  Thanks for that!

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Adam Olean | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 8 2019 10:02 AM

Rick Ausdahl:

This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy).  But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond.  For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

Yes, it used to run better on my Surface 3 than it does now on my much more powerful Surface Pro (2017) model. Something changed along the way. I recall that macOS had GPU issues that Faithlife eventually resolved. They seem to have overlooked the issues on some Windows computers, although I'm sure it has been pointed out before.

Some media resources have been notoriously slow and unresponsive as well (e.g., 1000 Bible Images), whether for similar or different reasons. It's been a while since I've looked into these issues or raised them.

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Veli Voipio | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, May 8 2019 10:58 AM

I checked the Atlas tool in the Logos app in Android and the app.logos.com in the PC and Android. I can zoom and rotate the map in the touch screen using the finger gestures.

But in the official Logos PC version those gestures won't work with the touch screen.

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Rick Ausdahl | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 9 2019 9:58 AM

Adam Olean:

Rick Ausdahl:

This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy).  But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond.  For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

Yes, it used to run better on my Surface 3 than it does now on my much more powerful Surface Pro (2017) model. Something changed along the way. I recall that macOS had GPU issues that Faithlife eventually resolved. They seem to have overlooked the issues on some Windows computers, although I'm sure it has been pointed out before.

Some media resources have been notoriously slow and unresponsive as well (e.g., 1000 Bible Images), whether for similar or different reasons. It's been a while since I've looked into these issues or raised them.

In general, I find the map/atlas feature sooooo much easier and faster to use in a competitor's product, that when I'm studying in Logos and want to check something out on a map, I often open the other product and use the Atlas feature there.  In fact, did that again just this week when wanting to view the location of four cities being discussed in a Mobile Ed NT course I'm going through, because the locations had some bearing on where various scholars think the letters were likely to have been written from.

It was so easy (and fast) in the other application.

  1. Open the Atlas
  2. Start typing the first city, the app auto fills the name, I hit enter, and the Atlas positions itself to that area and highlights the city name in red.
  3. Start typing the second, third, and fourth cities and ditto--same as with the first city.
  4. I then had a map with all four cities highlighted in red and I was able to easily get distances (as the crow flies) between them.

I look forward to the day when it's that easy in Logos.

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 9 2019 10:05 AM

Wow I wish it was that easy in Logos... I tried to find a river the other day and even though the Factbook found it and had a link to the atlas, when I clicked all it did was load the map. The rivers weren't even labeled. I gave up eventually and looked it up in an atlas

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GaoLu | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 10 2019 8:11 AM

If I had my druthers, this would be one of the first things Logos would fix and fix well.  

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Bootjack | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, May 10 2019 8:11 PM

Hadn't a clue these features were here Randy. Thank you for pointing that out. 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 13 2019 6:01 AM

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

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John Brumett | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 13 2019 3:23 PM

Mattillo:
I tried to find a river the other day

What river was that?

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, May 13 2019 3:40 PM

John Brumett:

Mattillo:
I tried to find a river the other day

What river was that?

The Kishon River... Doing Judges 4-5 next week :)

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 4:27 AM

Mattillo:

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

Bump

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Bootjack | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 5:22 AM

Against a brick wall?

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 1:02 PM

Rick Ausdahl:

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This works on my system, but the atlas is so slow in responding, I would have never figured it out without being told (thank you, Randy).  But even with this post explaining it, at first I thought it wasn't working because it is sooooooo slow to respond.  For all practical purposes, the Atlas is simply too slow to use on my setup (i7-6500 CPU @ 2.50-2.59 GHz, 16GB memory, 256GB SSD, internet speed 12 Mbps).

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Rick, I'd like to better understand the Atlas slowness you're experiencing on your system. For example, on my modern MacBook Pro just now:

  • I restarted Logos, and then started from the Factbook page on the Arnon River and clicked on the map in the Media section with tooltip Battles of the Wandering Israelites. 
  • I'd say it took about 7 seconds to open the Atlas panel, bring up the map, zoom in and show the orange circle.
  • Having loaded the map, zooming and panning seem nearly instantaneous
  • Switching to a different map in the sidebar takes a few seconds at most

What's your experience like? 

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Sean Boisen | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 1:18 PM

Mattillo:

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

I've passed the documentation feedback along: thanks for that. 

We're not currently planning a feature like the one Rick describes, though i can appreciate why he wants it. The current best way to get a general sense of "where are these several places?" will be a Biblical World map for the appropriate era (in his case, Biblical World - The Early Church). 

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Mattillo | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, May 16 2019 1:23 PM

Sean Boisen:

Mattillo:

Any thoughts from FL on whether this documentation could be added to Atlas?

Any thoughts from FL on if there are further additions coming to the atlas?

Thx

I've passed the documentation feedback along: thanks for that. 

We're not currently planning a feature like the one Rick describes, though i can appreciate why he wants it. The current best way to get a general sense of "where are these several places?" will be a Biblical World map for the appropriate era (in his case, Biblical World - The Early Church). 

Thank you Sean. Are there further updates coming to the atlas or is it finished? I noticed that there are some without slides. Also I couldn't remember where you were on getting these maps updated. Will rivers make it into maps? Thx

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