FIX the context-menu lemma search!

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Francis | Forum Activity | Posted: Sun, Jun 9 2019 12:26 AM

I'm sorry but after all this time, it's hard to believe that one can still invoke the context menu from a word in a Bible and run the lemma search "in this resource" from the context menu, only to get no results because the generated search is not in the correct morphology!

I have mentioned this before and I still hold that this is simply not user friendly at all. 

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Reuben Helmuth | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 12:43 AM

I'm not seeing this problem. Could you provide more details?

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 2:03 AM

Using the NASB95 (not the paragraph version). Try runinng a lemma search "in this resource" from the context menu.

Result:

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 2:22 AM

The same problem applies when selecting the lemma from the Bible search (tried the NASB, NASB+, and NIV84 so far). 

Step 1: type g:kosmos in the box and select the lemma proposed in the drop list:

Result: 

Contrast with results obtained with the same procedure on the ESV.

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Sean | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 4:16 AM

Francis:
Using the NASB95 (not the paragraph version). Try runinng a lemma search "in this resource" from the context menu.

Interesting. I've had this error before too. I just figured I was doing something wrong.

I tried it out, and here's what it did for me:

1. Went to Gen. 1.1 in the ESV, did a lemma search on eretz from the context menu. No hits came up.

2. John 3.16 in ESV, kosmos: worked fine.

3. John 3.16 & Gen 1.1 in NASB95 (not para): worked fine.

4. Back to eretz in Gen. 1.1 in the ESV: this time it worked.

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Graham Criddle | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 7:11 AM

Hi Francis

I've tried the different examples you give (NASB95 and NIV84) and the searches work fine for me - something strange is going on!

It's not a morphology issue as the search screens you show have the correct encoding.

Graham

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 2:19 PM

Francis:

The same problem applies when selecting the lemma from the Bible search (tried the NASB, NASB+, and NIV84 so far). 

Step 1: type g:kosmos in the box and select the lemma proposed in the drop list:

Result: 

Contrast with results obtained with the same procedure on the ESV.

Francis,

I don't have an answer for your dilemma, but what I do have is a question that may get to the bottom of it. How do you get that pop-up with 185 in the wheel to appear? I am unable to duplicate this and it may hold the key to what's going on in your case.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 6:25 PM

Beloved:
How do you get that pop-up with 185 in the wheel to appear? I am unable to duplicate this and it may hold the key to what's going on in your case.

That's normal when selecting (hovering) over the suggested lemma

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 6:35 PM

Francis:
The same problem applies when selecting the lemma from the Bible search (tried the NASB, NASB+, and NIV84 so far). 

Do you get any search results from these bibles e.g. Bible Search for "God"? Basic Search for "God"

If "No", try reindex NASB95 in the Go/Command box. If you quickly type/paste reindex niv84 after that, they should be indexed together.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 6:53 PM

Dave Hooton:
That's normal when selecting (hovering) over the suggested lemma

I searched high and low and can find this selection nowhere. Where is it? Edit: I already have hover set on Corresponding words same lemma.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 9 2019 9:55 PM

After you type g:kosmos in Bible Search, two suggestions appear below it. Hover over the first suggestion to get the tool tip with the 185.

There is no Setting for this.

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Beloved | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2019 12:11 AM

Dave Hooton:

After you type g:kosmos in Bible Search, two suggestions appear below it. Hover over the first suggestion to get the tool tip with the 185.

There is no Setting for this.

It must not hold for MacOS.

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2019 12:18 AM

Beloved:
It must not hold for MacOS.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2019 12:59 AM

Beloved:

Dave Hooton:

After you type g:kosmos in Bible Search, two suggestions appear below it. Hover over the first suggestion to get the tool tip with the 185.

There is no Setting for this.

It must not hold for MacOS.

Replicated lack of 185 tool tip hover using Logos 8.6 Beta 1 on macOS 10.14.5

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2019 6:57 AM

Well, well, well: try my search above but make sure you do any search that works first with results aligned. Leave it to aligned, then run the lemma search.

I found that it works if the search was left on "verses" but it does not on "aligned".

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2019 8:27 AM

Francis:

Using the NASB95 (not the paragraph version). Try runinng a lemma search "in this resource" from the context menu.

Result:

I'm wondering if your installation may need to rebuild the index for NASB. I followed your steps 1,2,3 and got the expected results:

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2019 9:10 AM

Will rebuild the index and see what happens. Sigh...

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Francis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 10 2019 11:23 PM

Rebuilt index. Seems to have solved the problem. 

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Dave Hooton | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jun 16 2019 6:46 AM

Good.

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Philana R. Crouch | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jun 17 2019 8:41 AM

Beloved:

Francis:

The same problem applies when selecting the lemma from the Bible search (tried the NASB, NASB+, and NIV84 so far). 

Step 1: type g:kosmos in the box and select the lemma proposed in the drop list:

Result: 

Contrast with results obtained with the same procedure on the ESV.

Francis,

I don't have an answer for your dilemma, but what I do have is a question that may get to the bottom of it. How do you get that pop-up with 185 in the wheel to appear? I am unable to duplicate this and it may hold the key to what's going on in your case.

I've filed a bug report for the missing pop-up on macOS. Thanks for reporting this.

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