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Kristin Dantzler | Forum Activity | Posted: Tue, Aug 13 2019 11:30 AM

Asking opinions about whether or not I should upgrade to Diamond from Platinum.  I am a College Senior with majors in Classical Greek and Archaeology and I am headed to seminary next year to pursue my MDIV.  The major works that would be included in the upgrade would be the ICC, Smith and Helwys and Black's New Testament Commentary.  How important are these particular resources to an MDIV student?

Thanks for your response

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 13 2019 12:28 PM

Hi Kristin

I cannot answer your precise question but might suggest an approach to take.

1. Only pay for resources that you need.

2. If you find you need a bunch of resources see if you can find a bundle that includes them and compare the price of the bundle to the individual prices.

3. If you find you need an expensive resource check if it is included in a bundle and compare the prices. If they are close then check the bundle for resources you will probably need and see if you think that the extra will be money well spent.

4. While obtaining resources for Logos is not instantaneous it is pretty quick so there is no need to stock up on stuff that you might need unless it comes in as very inexpensive.

5. If you need a resource buy it. Don't wait for a sale. If you can do without it until a sale crops up you didn't need it and probably still don't.

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Justin Gatlin | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 13 2019 12:28 PM

Unless your dynamic price is too good to pass up, the drop in value between Platinum and Diamond is pretty substantial. I would say you probably do not need it. What are your long term plans? They might be helpful for something else. 

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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 13 2019 12:50 PM

Hello, Kristin,

Denise recently resurrected an old post that makes me wonder if  you might want to find out from  your Seminary if they enable a student discount, and perhaps a special package for their students. https://blog.logos.com/2012/06/is-your-school-a-logos-bible-software-partner/

Vaya con Dios!

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mab | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 13 2019 1:23 PM

I wound up getting Diamond and then jumping to Portfolio. If you qualify for an Academic discount, you get an even better deal.

How much you actually use is always questionable, but Logos is for the long hall and the price is dirt cheap bundled compared to print. Much of what you learn in school will be what you read in Logos.

Blessings on your studies.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 13 2019 1:35 PM

Kristin Dantzler:
Asking opinions about whether or not I should upgrade to Diamond from Platinum.  I am a College Senior with majors in Classical Greek and Archaeology and I am headed to seminary next year to pursue my MDIV.  The major works that would be included in the upgrade would be the ICC, Smith and Helwys and Black's New Testament Commentary.  How important are these particular resources to an MDIV student?

In your place I would be more inclined to add a package from a different stream (Baptist, Reformed, etc.) to your existing Platinum. There are usually gems to be found in all of those streams that might offer better value than Diamond.

The new site makes it hard to compare packages in different streams, but you can use this link to the old site to help you to do that:

https://classic.logos.com/compare/libraries?productIds=165450,165414,165400,165407,165421,165432,165438

Assuming you went for a Gold package, and you were particularly interested in commentaries, you could add ACCS (Anglican, M & W), Calvin (Reformed), Mentor (Baptist, Reformed), RCS (Lutheran, Reformed), BST OT (Anglican), Blacks (M&W), Feasting on the Word (Anglican), Gospel According to the OT (Reformed), Leupold (Lutheran), ITC (M&W), Keil & Delitzsch (Lutheran), Lenski (Lutheran), NT For Everyone (Anglican), OT For Everyone (Anglican), REC (Reformed), Social Science (Lutheran), Life Application (P&C), Two Horizons (Lutheran), Wesleyan (M&W).

Or you could look at one or more of the Library Expansions, perhaps looking for packs that suit the modules in your MDiv program: https://www.logos.com/search?Product%20Type=Library%2520Expansions&sort=newest&pageSize=60&sortBy=Newest&limit=60&page=1&filters=producttype-libraryexpansions_Product%20Type&ownership=all

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Steve Maling | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 13 2019 1:46 PM

Kristin, the ton of suggestions you're getting from experienced and caring Logosians may prove overwhelming. One voice you're not likely to hear unless  you contact them directly is "the right person" at your  Seminary. I strongly suggest you ask the Seminary Admission Department to put you in touch with someone in their Faculty or on their Staff who can knowledgeably advise incoming students. It could be a "Director of Studies" or a "Dean of Students" or a "Librarian". Whatever the title, look for someone who both cares about students and knows what resources are likely to be assigned and otherwise useful.

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Kristin Dantzler | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 13 2019 5:28 PM

I truly appreciate everyone taking the time to respond.  Very helpful.  I think I will give my powder  dry and I will certainly be following up with the seminaries that I am applying to.

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mike | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Aug 13 2019 7:36 PM

One thing for sure... apply for Academic Discount before purchasing anything.

The second thing ... don't buy Ultimate or Portfolio ... those have too many of useless classical stuffs ... not so helpful for in general sense. Look for BP that relates to your Classical Greek and Archaeology.

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Kristin Dantzler | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2019 5:35 PM

Will do.  Thanks again

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2019 6:01 PM

Kristin Dantzler:

Asking opinions about whether or not I should upgrade to Diamond from Platinum.  I am a College Senior with majors in Classical Greek and Archaeology and I am headed to seminary next year to pursue my MDIV.  The major works that would be included in the upgrade would be the ICC, Smith and Helwys and Black's New Testament Commentary.  How important are these particular resources to an MDIV student?

Thanks for your response

I found Platinum to be more than sufficient for seminary. It's actually the recommended package for seminarians because of the biblical language resources and reference works. Over the years that I've been a Logos user (since 2015, Logos 6), I have repeatedly looked into upgrading to Diamond but have never seen the value being worth it.

I have seen more value in broadening my library with some of the various denominational packages. I have purchased some level of pretty much all of the denominational packages (except SDA and Messianic). I also purchased the Academic Premium package when those packages came out (you may want to look into those for seminary). But I don't own a single package above Platinum. I own Standard Platinum (L6, L7), Methodist Platinum (L7, L8), Verbum Gold (L7), Anglican Gold (L8), and Starter or Bronze for every other denomination except SDA and Messianic. Not saying you should invest in all that, but my point is that I have seen more value in broadening out across traditions versus continuing to upgrade within the Standard packages.

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Kiyah | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2019 6:03 PM

Kristin Dantzler:
The major works that would be included in the upgrade would be the ICC, Smith and Helwys and Black's New Testament Commentary.

I think ICC is in Academic Professional. Make sure you take a look at that and see if it's a better value or not.

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Greg Corbin | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2019 7:17 PM

Kristin Dantzler:

Asking opinions about whether or not I should upgrade to Diamond from Platinum.  I am a College Senior with majors in Classical Greek and Archaeology and I am headed to seminary next year to pursue my MDIV. 

Kristin,  I largely agree with the advice you have been given - focus on resources you will use, academic discount, compare with other tradition packages, etc.  I would like to expand on thinking about resources you will use. In the academic context of seminary work on an MDiv then you will be required to use academic oriented / "critical" commentaries. Of the ones you named, the ICC certainly falls into that category.  Other examples are the Word Biblical Commentary,  NICOT and NICNT, New American Commentary, Pillar NT, and others like those. If the packages you buy do not include commentary sets like these, then you likely won't be able to use much of your Logos library in your seminary work.

This doesn't mean that other commentaries are not good and profitable. Each week, I personally use commentaries that are extremely profitable, but yet I would not use them in an academic paper.  The issue is, for lack of a better term, "academic heft" to use in your seminary work.

Hope this helps. Keep studying!

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Doc B | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2019 8:28 PM

Kristin Dantzler:
Asking opinions about whether or not I should upgrade to Diamond from Platinum.

No.

My thanks to the various MVPs. Without them Logos would have died early. They were the only real help available.

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Mark Barnes | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 14 2019 11:25 PM

Greg Corbin:
Of the ones you named, the ICC certainly falls into that category.

Some of the ICC set falls into that category - but a large chunk of it is dated.

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Mark Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Thu, Aug 15 2019 8:55 AM

I am a pastor and have MDiv and DMin degrees. Standard Platinum is the sweet spot for those who are in pastoral ministry or preparing for it. After Platinum, I would judicially add resources when I found that I needed them. I would certainly want to have NICOT/NICNT which are not in any of the libraries. They would be far more helpful for pastoral ministry than the volumes you will get in Diamond. It's a lot of money, but the set does occasionally go on sale.

Pastor, North Park Baptist Church

Bridgeport, CT USA

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Kristin Dantzler | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2019 5:01 PM

Very helpful comments.  I will look to add to my resources accordingly.  

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Kristin Dantzler | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2019 5:02 PM

Very helpful comments and it gives me an idea of resources I should look to add as the opportunity arises.  Thanks everyone.

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Aug 23 2019 6:23 PM

Kristin Dantzler:

Very helpful comments and it gives me an idea of resources I should look to add as the opportunity arises.  Thanks everyone.

Good luck in your studies 👍😁👌

DAL

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Kristin Dantzler | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Aug 28 2019 5:43 PM

Thanks very much

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