iPad OS... what do you like?
Hi all,
We know many of you love using your iPad more and more for reading, studying, and... watching Netflix/Disney+/Hulu/all-of-the-above. 
It’s been a bit since Apple released iOS 13 and iPad OS. I’d love to hear how you’re liking it... what are you finding useful? What would you like to see us support on iPad OS in 2020? Here’s a list of features to get you drooling... I mean... thinking! https://www.apple.com/ipados/features/
Help us understand how you’d like to improve your Logos workflow on iPad.
-Daniel
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Apple Pencil support
being able to edit and/or create sermons within the app
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Kenneth Neighoff said:
Apple Pencil support
We already have basic “support” in the sense that you can use the Apple Pencil for anything you can currently do with your finger... but I suspect you want something more along the lines of using it to markup text or write handwritten marginalia? How would you like to use the Apple Pencil in the Logos app?
Thanks for the feedback and engaging with us here.
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Hand written notes or for marking up the biblical text for flow of thought tracing. Like in Liquid Text or Notability Apps.
I already use it like my finger for highlighting.
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This isn’t particular to iPadOS but I’d like the ability to turn off selective notes. When my highlights from other sources carry over to my commentaries it makes it hard to make my own highlights and especially to delete the highlights if a mistake is made
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Sermon editor please!
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For me, performance and bug-squishing.
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Thank you for asking! There is much to appreciate in the Logos iOS app and I am thankful for all that Faithlife does to make it what it is. But, as you imply, there are ways to make it more powerful within the new iPad OS.
- Same app in multiple spaces
- Spilit screen support
- Integration with Shortcuts app
- Drag and drop
- Copy and paste options similar to the desktop Logos app
- Since I much more likely to read a book "cover to cover" on my iPad, it would be nice if the iOS app was more user friendly to readers. For example, the ability to get an overviews of where I am at in a book similar to Kindle app. Also, more user friendly bookmarking to get to where I left off in a book.Please keep us posted with your goals and progress!
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Parity with Desktop App for editing, organising, moving, renaming bookmarks.
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The single most important feature of bible software, in my opinion, is being able to read an original language text, and then click to see a lexicon entry.
Currently, the information popup is far too small on an iPad. The little popup window is tiny and looks like it is designed for a phone, not an iPad.
Secondly, to go from text to lexicon entry requires too many clicks on the iPad. The reading experience is just not as smooth as the desktop app, which is a shame because the iPad is a far better format for reading than a laptop.
There are a couple annoying bugs in the current app that have never been fixed. I highlighted them here. I run in to these everyday. https://brianwdavidson.com/2019/01/06/logos-8-notable-performance-improvements/
I wish some of the developers used the app to read Greek and Hebrew regularly. It seems to me that would make a huge difference in understanding what the app should be like.
Thank
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Same app in multiple spaces
Open a window from the same app in multiple spaces so you can work on different projects across your iPad.
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I'd like to have one instance open to mobile ed transcripts, and another instance open to the mobile ed lecture videos (without having to have app.logos.com as the 2nd window). This will also require permitting play of videos without forcing a launch into full screen (which I HATE!).
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Brian W. Davidson said:
I wish some of the developers used the app to read Greek and Hebrew regularly. It seems to me that would make a huge difference in understanding what the app should be like.
I know FL has resident people who do this but having someone who "gets it" in the development department because they regularly read OL would make a difference.
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I was thinking a bit more on this but I'd like to see more offline capabilities and visual filters added. I wish I could get prepositional outlines or discourse analysis on my iPad. Not sure what the programming technicalities would be on that.
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Daniel Di Bartolo said:
It’s been a bit since Apple released iOS 13 and iPad OS. I’d love to hear how you’re liking it... what are you finding useful? What would you like to see us support on iPad OS in 2020?
- Split Screen & Drag and Drop – I wish I could have a floating Logos note open on the side that I could drag and drop notes/pictures to while I am in Logos, or researching online, or...*gasp* reading in another e-reader *gasp*
- Widget – shortcuts to Dashboard (i.e. one click and I go straight to a layout or a reading plan)
- Apple Pencil – I don’t know how useful handwritten notes would be for me UNLESS you‘re able to OCR the written words and make them searchable, GoodNotes is a good example of this. However, I would like the pencil to act as a more sophisticated highlighter tool with gestures and automation.
- Visual Filters – In all honesty, this is Logos’ single greatest feature. It’d be a true game changer to have even a limited version (maybe limited to only on one resource) or maybe present visual filters for common searches like tense or mood.
- Sidecar – I much prefer to read on my iPad than my computer, so the ability to send a book to your iPad naturally would be nice
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Speaking simply of reading, not study feartures, I would love a better reading expereince in the Logos iOS app.
The Kingdle App is overall so smuch smoother and highlighting seems so much more repsonsive. Within the Kindle App the format for viewiing all of your highlights in a paritcular book is much more user friendly. The Kindle App is a more immersive reading experience.
For those reasons, and others, I continue to buy Kindle books for reading, even though I know I'm making a significant trade-off on integration with the rest of my Logos tools. I hate this trade off, but I also find that the pleasure of reading is significant when "reading" long books rather than "studying" long books.
I constantly find myself reading my Bible in the Logos iOS app and then switching to read a book in the Kindle App, saying, why can't the Logos app be this enjoyable?
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Look at how Crossways is harnessing the power of digital mediums for Bible study.
food for thought...
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Faced the same issue. Thanks for the solution.
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I was thinking about this last night but with the new iPad OS might it be possible to add 3 simultaneous screens? On a new iPad Gen 7 you have a 10" screen and enough power to have 3 books open at once instead of the regular 2 windows via splitscreen. I know there is still issues with resource stuttering so maybe not such a great idea yet but eventually
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Kenneth Neighoff said:
Hand written notes or for marking up the biblical text for flow of thought tracing. Like in Liquid Text or Notability Apps.
^ This. And, while this is an iOS discussion, please implement inking support in Android, too.
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This is exactly my sentiment. I feel that the search in the desktop is faster as you can search for the Greek/Hebrew root more intuitively rather than the iOS app. The search and the indexes is one of the biggest updates that Logos can do to the iPadOS.
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Ability to use Pencil for handwritten notes rather then typed in notes (i.e. Draw tab like in one note). LATER you can add the OCR capability if that's a huge deal to include.
Ability to do journaling with Logos Mobile instead of having to do in separate app like Notability, OneNote. This way that journal can always be referenced (anchored) to the scripture.
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This is way late and I am not sure if this will be read. I made the switch over to the iPad Pro and rejoiced with the release of the iPadOS. Technology is moving to more powerful and versatile formats and tools. iPad Pro is one such item. It is disappointing that Logos still remains for the most part like it is on an iPhone for an iPad Pro, despite the new and separate iPadOS.
Features that I would like to see:
- full access to all options on a course. The activities and quizzes are not available on iPad OS
- better and fuller access to the different guides. If I do a search of some kind it is extremely limited and not as versatile as when I used Logos on my MacBook
- Kindle like capabilities. Logos is getting there, but it definitely lacks when it is offline. Even if the book is downloaded, there is still limited access.
Overall, I would like to see Logos develop its application for iPadOS that equals Apple’s vision for it, and not be like the app’s use on an iPhone.
Thank you.
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Juan Elias Medina said:
Kindle like capabilities. Logos is getting there, but it definitely lacks when it is offline. Even if the book is downloaded, there is still limited access.
What do you mean, "Kindle like capabilities?"
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What I mean....
When I use Kindle, I can read/study offline without any problem. As soon as I connect with the internet, it syncs perfectly. I can access a whole book and jump around when offline without any problem. It works the same online/offline. The only difference is when it syncs to the cloud online.
However, with Logos, even if I have downloaded the book to use offline, it gets stuck if I try to move around in the book. Or even if I try to read continuously, it will get stuck. It is like it still needs online access even when the book is downloaded. So, in my experience, I can only really use my Logos books when I have internet access. Otherwise, I have to find alternatives.
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Juan Elias Medina said:
However, with Logos, even if I have downloaded the book to use offline, it gets stuck if I try to move around in the book. Or even if I try to read continuously, it will get stuck. It is like it still needs online access even when the book is downloaded. So, in my experience, I can only really use my Logos books when I have internet access. Otherwise, I have to find alternatives.
I suggest you start a new thread where we can focus on the issues you are having.
I don’t see this sort of behaviour for downloaded resources when offline
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I actually posted a couple of months ago on the differences in the Kindle app vs the Logos app for reading, and why the Kindle app is an overall better reading experience. It seems appropraite for the current converstaion...
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I experience that behavior too, although not all the time.
...but occasionally I'll be in church and go to a verse we are going through and when I try to scroll to the next page it won't go any further, I then try other verses and I can't. As soon as I get home (to the Internet) it's fine.
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As stated earlier, Sermon Editor would be in my opinion the best addition to the mobile app. With the introduction of the new case with trackpad, mouse/track pad compatibility, files and external hard drive compatibility, apple pencil, multi tasking and so much more, Sermon editor is needed for the Ipad. There are 3 current apps that keep me from going to an Ipad Pro Only. Two of those apps are Logos and Proclaim (a way to present to a second screen or apple TV from the Ipad would be great.) I travel a lot and would love to be able to only take my Ipad. Sermon editor would make travel and normal day more simple/minimalistic, ease of last minute changes or random thoughts without the need of computer or browser version, and take away the need of a laptop or computer. I have actually wanted sermon editor on the ipad way before Ipad OS came out.
I would like the option on my ipad to choose between full version or Ipad version. Not only for sermons but for study, times in a small group when I am looking things up on resources, offline mode with more of my resources, etc.
Also within sermon editor the ability to make notes, marks, etc with the apple pencil would be fantastic.
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Daniel,
First, thank you for asking this question. I appreciate you listening to us.
The iPad has chanegd a lot since it first came out. The Logos app is basically a very good reader for the logos resources and that was very useful back when the iPad was in its infancy. But now the iPad is very powerful. It has capability for large hard drive space (I have over 9K resources downloaded) and it’s A12Z chip is more powerful than 80% of the laptops out there. I would like to see IOS for the iPad (and the new iPhones which are almost as powerful) to be as powerful as logos on the macbook. With a 1TB hard drive, there is plenty of space to have a powerful app. I would like to be able to have several windows open at once. The 13 inch iPad has plenty of real estate to be able to have layouts. Defintely need to be able to edit sermons complete with a keynote exporter. To also have most of the guides and tools in the Mac version. Definetly have the language tools. And all of this to be able to have without an internet connection.
The iPad is more powerful than most laptops out there and I would love to be able to travel in the mission field where there is no internet, have all my resources with me and only take my iPad with me because logos has a powerful app.
Thank you for listning to us and I hope Logos can do something like this. Stil keep the current reader for those who might not want the full version.Daniel Di Bartolo said:Hi all,
We know many of you love using your iPad more and more for reading, studying, and... watching Netflix/Disney+/Hulu/all-of-the-above.
It’s been a bit since Apple released iOS 13 and iPad OS. I’d love to hear how you’re liking it... what are you finding useful? What would you like to see us support on iPad OS in 2020? Here’s a list of features to get you drooling... I mean... thinking! https://www.apple.com/ipados/features/
Help us understand how you’d like to improve your Logos workflow on iPad.
-Daniel
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I'm pasting this from my post about iOS last year. Please, please
A lot of us would like the ability to go iPadOS only at least for travel.As more and more of us transition to the iPad as our primary computer, Logos’ functionality on iPad is becoming a serious bottleneck. My aim is not to debate how an iPad compares to a desktop. The reality is a lot of us--and a lot of pastors--are slowly transitioning to the iPad as our primary computer.
Here’s my short wishlist for iPad support:
Keyboard shortcuts—Logos really needs even basic keyboard shortcut. At minimum the following would be nice:- Cmd+G to enter a passage as on desktop.
- Cmd+L to open the library and select a new book (as on desktop)--should focus on the search entry field so you don’t have to tap the screen to type a book name.
- Cmd+F to run a search.
- Keyboard navigation to navigate open books. Something that lets you move left and right through everything you have open and potentially activate the overview window as well.
- Please support multiple windows.
Better interlinear support—We really need some kind of basic interlinear. Even a simple inline interlinear would work allowing easy options to search a word or look it up in preferred lexicons. Basically the information available in the desktop interlinear which the ability to quickly search a lemma or open lexicons.
Search improvement
- There really needs to be a search export—I export searches all the time to csv format to do work on passages. However the iPad app has limited search ability and no ability to export a search to work with it.
- We really need an export to Word doc format, pdf, and csv.
- We need the ability to do basic searches offline. Not everyone is online 24 hours a day.
- When a search cannot run offline it should give a message to that effect. The current message just says “no results matched” which is not always (usually) true. It should say the search did not run because Logos is offline.
Copy Bible verses—has been mentioned many times
Siri Shortcuts--Make as many of these features as possible available to Siri shortcut for serious workflow capability. At minimum, Copy Bible Verses should be available in Siri Shortcuts. It should be possible to open Logos an activate books, guides, etc via shortcuts.
Offline Capability-Retain as much offline capability as possible for opening books, reading books, and doing basic searches. Much of the world doesn’t have full-time high speed wifi and even those who do get on planes or may not always want to be online
Of course it would not be easy by any means to duplicate everything the desktop does offline on the iPad, but a lot of basic functionality should work offline on the iPad as it does on the desktop.0 -
I see a lot of potential with Workflows Guides in iPad OS, has there been any discussion about including that in upcoming mobile updates?
I'm just now digging into that feature, and it really is amazing how it streamlines what I'm doing and helps keep me from chasing too many rabbits. And the possibility that you could start one on your computer at the office and then pick up where you left off while you're waiting at the Dr's office and again when the kids have gone to bed, is just so intriguing. Not to mention, I don't like doing devotionals or praying sessions in front of a computer, but on the iPad/iPhone is a completely different thing. I think it's just ingrained in me to "work" at a desktop, but reading on an iPad while I'm sitting in my quiet place is much easier to do.
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As far as Apple Pencil support I would love to be able to draw on the text and circle certain words like John Piper does on ”Look at the Book” https://www.desiringgod.org/labs. I would love to be able to do what he does right on my iPad Pro with my Apple Pencil!
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Please, please, please, please have Apple pencil support
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I agree with Jordan Faker (April 22, 2020) The ability to editor sermon documents on in iPad OS is really important.
I use my PC to make sermon notes at work, but I cannot edit them on my iPad Pro at home - very frustrating. Is something going to be done about this?
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Kenneth Neighoff said:
Apple Pencil support
prayers have been answered! It works in the Logos app notes tool, I tried. It’s not perfect or as good as in apple notes, but it’s a HUGE leap forward for Apple Pencil lovers. I recorded a video of me testing that I’ll share if there is interest.
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Here’s the test video
running Logos Beta + iPadOS Beta on an iPad Pro 9.7 and 1st gen Apple Pencil
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YESSSSS!!!! So frustrating!!! Why allow me to download it to my iPad if I can't use the entire download offline??!!!?? This was in reply to the comment about being more like Kindle.
Funny I had already posted about that previously.
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Annotated notes with the Apple Pencil would be great, but the most need for me is a full sermon editor like on the desktop app. So the ability to start and edit sermons, work with the slides, export notes and handouts, etc. This is the only thing holding me back from going only ipad.
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Wow Mark loved your post.... why can’t reading on an iPad with Logos be an enjoyable experience? Please Logos make readability a priority on your mobile app. If I want to do serious study I use my computer. If need be take a lesson from other apps set up for reading. Sorry, but being able to use a bluetooth keyboard to easily change pages should be high on your list of improvements.... who wants to be constantly reaching out to touch your screen to turn every page..... I don’t need carpel tunnel. Please Logos developers are you listening?
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Daniel,
Thank you for asking this question. In one way this is a late reply, but in another, it may be right on time! I personally enjoy the heavy lifting that Logos does in terms of original language study. I would love to be able to access visual filters in my reverse interlinears on the iPad. The ability to have my morphology filters set and perhaps tap a word with my pencil and have all the same lemmas show would be a game-changer.
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My 2 biggest wishes for iPadOS:
- ‘Full Sermon editing, especially the new sermon calendar tool. iPad is excellent for this kind of high-level lightweight planning.
- Features to improve ereader usage. Simpler bookmarks that synchronize 100% reliably, easier discoverablity of books I recently read on all devices.
Thanks for your hard work!
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Yes, drawing freehand style would be awesome.
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Support for Personal Books on IPad.
-john
And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers (Mal 4:6a)
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John Connell said:
Support for Personal Books on IPad.
-john
We'd all like personal books on mobile. This has been discussed in many threads on the forums. Bob Pritchett has said Logos won't be doing this. See this thread and Bob's response: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126859/848531.aspx#848531
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Bill Anderson said:John Connell said:
Support for Personal Books on IPad.
-john
We'd all like personal books on mobile. This has been discussed in many threads on the forums. Bob Pritchett has said Logos won't be doing this. See this thread and Bob's response: https://community.logos.com/forums/p/126859/848531.aspx#848531
Just saying that the times may change (or even have changed since then) and maybe the technical as well as strategic considerations look different one day. This feedback item is flagged as "needs your opinion" rather than flat-out "declined": https://feedback.faithlife.com/boards/logos-mobile-app/posts/allow-us-to-use-our-personal-books-on-the-mobile-app
Have joy in the Lord!
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I got this email Friday and super excited.
Hello Ron Ferguson,A post you upvoted, Parity: Bring Canvas to iPad (and support Apple Pencil), was updated to In progress.
Cheers,Your team at Faithlife
Doesn't give a time frame but I'm hoping next month or two. Will make the ipad more productive.
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