Wordsearch Moving to Logos Bible Software

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Kraig Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jul 19 2021 6:06 PM

Phil,

I am an LU student.  Do you have an update for when our textbooks are coming over into Logos?

Thank you,

Kraig Smith

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JC Cross | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Sep 20 2021 12:38 PM

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Erik DiVietro:

What happens after the semester?

We'll be moving all Wordsearch licenses for Liberty students over to Logos in the next year. Final timing is still TBD.

Does that mean we will retain access to all of the resources indefinitely? Or will access expire at some point?

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 21 2021 12:31 AM

JC Cross:

Phil Gons (Faithlife):

Erik DiVietro:

What happens after the semester?

We'll be moving all Wordsearch licenses for Liberty students over to Logos in the next year. Final timing is still TBD.

Does that mean we will retain access to all of the resources indefinitely? Or will access expire at some point?

Hi Mr Cross and welcome to the forums.

There are a few things to remember.

Your Wordsearch installation will remain functional for the foreseeable future unless you break it by upgrading your computer or taking some other action.

The Logos engine is free to use.

Almost all Wordsearch resources will be transferred to a usable format in Logos. Faithlife make a commitment that no user need ever pay for the same resource twice. That includes your transferred Wordsearch resources.

You are in the fortunate position that most of your resources are fully functional in both Wordsearch and Logos. Those yet to be fully adapted can still be used in Wordsearch. In the future your resources will remain usable in Logos at no charge to yourself.

tootle pip

Mike

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NB.Mick | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 21 2021 1:12 AM

Mike Binks:
In the future your resources will remain usable in Logos at no charge to yourself.

That is definitely true for people who paid for those resources and thus acquired a permanent license in the usual way. I'm not sure whether WS had any special licensing agreements with Liberty so that students may have received only temporary licenses for the duration of their enrolment (maybe with a promise for a very substantial rebate if they acquired that package).

In this case maybe the contracts between WS and the publishers were special (no royalities until real ownership?) and need to be sorted out. Some questions of Liberty students sound a bit that way - and if that's the case, FL needs to negotiate the publishers into the "normal" Academic program that gives permanent access and I'm not sure we can promise the "no charge" thing.

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Sep 21 2021 2:08 AM

NB.Mick:
FL needs to negotiate the publishers into the "normal" Academic program that gives permanent access and I'm not sure we can promise the "no charge" thing.

Hi Mick,

Thanks for your clarification.

I think, though, that we can say that 'All resources that you have paid for can be continue to be used at no extra charge to yourself"?

tootle pip

Mike

How to get logs and post them. (now tagging post-apocalyptic fiction as current affairs)

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Curtis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 24 2021 12:29 PM

Hi Phil,

My friend signed up to the free Logos App Bible software:  https://app.logos.com/

She was trying to get the free access to the King James Version (WordSearch edition) but she said she could not find it. 

Can you make sure that this KJV WordSearch Edition will be included in it please?

It's available here:  https://biblia.com/books/ws-0-1/Jn3.14

But she is new to Logos and would like to access this public domain Bible KJV WordSearch edition in App.Logos.com 

Thank you for your help.

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Kolen Cheung | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 24 2021 1:18 PM

Curtis:

Hi Phil,

My friend signed up to the free Logos App Bible software:  https://app.logos.com/

She was trying to get the free access to the King James Version (WordSearch edition) but she said she could not find it. 

Can you make sure that this KJV WordSearch Edition will be included in it please?

It's available here:  https://biblia.com/books/ws-0-1/Jn3.14

But she is new to Logos and would like to access this public domain Bible KJV WordSearch edition in App.Logos.com 

Thank you for your help.

Those freely licensed versions available on biblia are not all available to be browsed for free in Logos (including app.logos.com, what you can access in Logos Desktop and app.logos.com should be identical.)

Some (may be all) of them are available on mobile apps however. So you can ask her to try reading it on mobile apps. (And there's a way to install mobile app on desktop depending on platforms but that may be too technical.)

Also, "buying" those $0 Logos packages like the Basic ones may give you additional "temporary licenses" for other Bibles. I'm not sure it includes the KJV though.

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Curtis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 24 2021 3:28 PM

Hi Kolen,

Thank you for your reply.  

I am still hoping that Phil can fix this issue.

* The free Logos package does not include the KJV (Word Search) edition.   See https://www.logos.com/basic

Phil, please include the KJV (Word Search) edition in all Logos apps and packages.

It is not even "sold" on the Logos website: 

https://www.logos.com/search?query=king%20james&sortBy=Relevance&limit=30&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe

As a result, my friend cannot access or read the KJV (Word Search) Edition.   =(

Thanks for your help.  =)

- Curtis

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DAL | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 24 2021 3:45 PM

I know about KJV only individuals, but this is the first time I see KJV WORDsearch version only 😂 — To me KJV is KJV. Is the text that counts not the headings which are not inspired anyway. 

But hey, hopefully FL can include it for free, depending on the contract, copyrights and stuff.

DAL

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Curtis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 24 2021 4:22 PM

Hi DAL,

Thank you for saying, "But hey, hopefully FL can include it for free, depending on the contract, copyrights and stuff."  =)

I can't recall any other Bible versions in the Logos library that does not include headings and subheadings, except for the KJV 1900. 

If you look up the NKJV, NASB, NLT Bibles in Logos, they will all have headings. 

Like you said, they are "not inspired anyway" but personally, I find the headings and subheadings helpful especially when I'm looking up verses in the Bible, or when I'm reading through the Bible passages. 


So why not include a KJV Bible with headings especially since they already acquired this specific Bible from WordSearch?  =) 

As a WordSearch (Lifeway Bible Software) user, I was glad to see this KJV Bible added to the Logos Library. 

But I noticed that it has not been completely transferred over because 1) It is not included in the Free Logos base package or any of the Logos' packages 2) you cannot even purchase this Bible in the Logos store.

I shared my excitement about this specific KJV Bible and my friend wanted to join Logos.  When she became a Logos user, she noticed that she did not have access to this specific KJV (WordSearch) Bible. 

I think this specific Bible would be a great asset to the Logos Library. =)  And I also believe more people will become Logos customers!  =)

DAL, you mentioned: "To me KJV is KJV. Is the text that counts not the headings which are not inspired anyway. "

You're right.  I have read headings in some Bibles for Revelation chapter 1.  Some Bibles state:  "The Revelation of St. John" but when you read Revelation 1:1, it clearly says, "It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ."   I don't make it an issue because this "revelation of Jesus Christ" was given to John.  =)

I personally enjoy prayerfully reading and studying from the KJV Bible.  However, I also like to compare and contrast what other verses say in other Bibles such as the NKJV, NLT, etc. 

When certain Bibles omits or adds to Jesus' own words and other passages of Scripture (ie: Luke 4:4; Luke 4:8; Matthew 9:13, Colossians 1:14; etc.), I can understand why some Bible Christians prefer reading, studying and memorizing from the KJV Bible. 

Note: Can you imagine participating in a Bible Bowl and getting the answer wrong because you were studying NIV passages of Luke 4:4, Luke 4:8 and Matthew 9:13 instead of the KJV? 

With all this said, it's awesome to have so many valuable resources available in Logos, including the many Bible versions. 

I'm also glad that Logos acquired the KJV (WordSearch) edition with the headings.

As a researcher and Bible student, I am glad to be a member of Logos family!  =) 

- Curtis

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 24 2021 5:01 PM

Curtis:
I can't recall any other Bible versions in the Logos library that does not include headings and subheadings, except for the KJV 1900. 

Interesting, my library contains more Bibles without pericope titles than with them. 

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Curtis | Forum Activity | Replied: Fri, Sep 24 2021 7:01 PM

Hi MJ. Smith,

It is interesting that your library contains more Bibles without periscope titles than with them.

As I look in my own personal Logos library, I found the following periscopes in various Bibles in Logos:

NKJV in Logos

The Beatitudes
Luke 6:20–26 (Matthew 5:1). 

Note:  The NKJV includes additional Scripture references in its periscopes.

The Similitudes (Matthew 5:13)
Jesus Fulfills the Law (Matthew 5:17)
Murder (Matthew 5:21)
Adultery (Matthew 5:27)
Divorce (Matthew 5:21)
Oaths (Matthew 5:33)
Retaliation (Matthew 5:38)
Love
Luke 6:27, 32 (Matthew 5:43)

NLT in Logos

The Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:1)
The Beatitudes (Matthew 5:3)
Teaching about Salt and Light (Matthew 5:13)
Teaching about the Law (Matthew 5:17)

NIV in Logos

The Beatitudes (Matthew 5:1)
Salt and Light (Matthew 5:13)
The Fulfillment of the Law (Matthew 5:17)

NASB in Logos

The Sermon on the Mount; The Beatitudes (Matthew 5:1)
Disciples and the World (Matthew 5:13)
Personal Relationships (Matthew 5:21)

KJV 1900 in Logos:

NONE

KJV (WordSearch Edition) in Logos:

Christ begins His sermon on the mount: (Matthew 5:1)
declaring who are blessed (Matthew 5:3)
who are the salt of the earth (Matthew 5:13)
He came to fulfil the law (Matthew 5:17)
What it is to kill (Matthew 5:21)
to commit adultery (Matthew 5:27)
and to swear (Matthew 5:33)
He exhorts us to suffer wrong (Matthew 5:38)
to love even our enemies (Matthew 5:43)

Again, my request is to Phil and to any other Logos representative who will prayerfully consider my urgent request to make the KJV (WordSearch) edition available to all Logos users, for the Logos app and the free basic Logos package.

I truly believe that the KJV (WordSearch) edition is another great Bible to include in the Logos library.

Blessings,
Curtis

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 25 2021 12:13 AM

I believe that the list of pericope sets in the Compare Pericope tool in the Passage Analysis tool gives a complete list of Logos Bible with pericopes: Examples of Bibles without pericope headings:

  • Darby Bible
  • American Standard Bible
  • Amplified Bible
  • Cambridge Paragraph Version of the Authorized English Version
  • Complete Jewish Bible
  • Douay Rheims Challoner  Bible
  • English Revised Version
  • The Evidence Bible (an authorized English version)
  • The Living Bible . . . and so on

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David Thomas | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 25 2021 6:51 AM

Curtis:
As I look in my own personal Logos library, I found the following periscopes in various Bibles in Logos:

One's collection of translations will most likely reflect his/her preferred manuscript tradition.

Those who prefer TR may be disappointed that there are not more KJV pericopes. Those who prefer a broader canon may be disappointed that there are not more deutero-canonical pericopes. Personallly, I am pleased with comparisons of my English Translations

The Compare Pericopes tool helped me decide what to do with v.19 in the text I am preaching tomorrow (hint: "he had told this parable" ties it to the earlier verses Wink)

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Curtis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Sep 25 2021 8:43 AM

Hi MJ. Smith and David Thomas,

I didn't realize how many Bibles are in Logos without pericope headings. 

Thank you both for sharing these helpful resources with me and how to look it up in Logos!  =) 

Blessings,

Curtis

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