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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 12:38 PM

sub-thread reported as inappropriate. While I stand by my original post I apologize for my further participation.

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 12:46 PM

Logos is publishing enneagram books this year.

There are 9 types; some of them are naturally terse.

I am naturally to-the-point.  To be otherwise, I have to work on it - it just ain't natural to beat around the bush.

I think of my EQ.  Its not naturally high.  I have worked hard for every bit of people skills I have, + sometimes the package is not enough, + I feel its only average.

I like MJ's terse comm style!

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PetahChristian | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 1:07 PM

scooter:
I am naturally to-the-point.  To be otherwise, I have to work on it - it just ain't natural to beat around the bush.

I admire that. I tend to be vague, as well as verbose. I’m definitely not comfortable with (confrontations or) being direct.

scooter:
I think of my EQ.  Its not naturally high.  I have worked hard for every bit of people skills I have, + sometimes the package is not enough, + I feel its only average.

Don’t be unnecessarily hard on yourself, I think you tend to come across well.

Thanks to FL for including Carta and a Hebrew audio bible in Logos 9!

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 1:43 PM

PetahChristian:

scooter:
I am naturally to-the-point.  To be otherwise, I have to work on it - it just ain't natural to beat around the bush.

I admire that. I tend to be vague, as well as verbose. I’m definitely not comfortable with (confrontations or) being direct.

scooter:
I think of my EQ.  Its not naturally high.  I have worked hard for every bit of people skills I have, + sometimes the package is not enough, + I feel its only average.

Don’t be unnecessarily hard on yourself, I think you tend to come across well.

Thanks for the positive words, Petah.  I appreciate Ur encouragement.

You may be feeling first.  Maybe 1/3 of guys are feeling first; maybe 2/3 of ladies are.

I find that peoples' expectations relate to being called ''abrupt.''

Men are more accepted as being abrupt ''naturally.''  More women who are thinking first are called 'cold,' etc., when seen as too much to the point.  All this boxing-in of people is unfair.

Knowing a person's enneagram type allows one to understand them better.

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MJ. Smith | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 2:29 PM

BBC - Travel - How the Finnish survive without small talk

Orthodox Bishop Hilarion Alfeyev: "To be a theologian means to have experience of a personal encounter with God through prayer and worship."

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scooter | Forum Activity | Replied: Tue, Jan 12 2021 2:36 PM

MJ. Smith:

Enneagram-wise, Finland is a type 5 country.  So is Japan.

'Preciate the article - it was fun!

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Mike Binks | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2021 12:10 AM

xnman:

terse is a form of smart mouth.  It's sometimes like a verbal slap. It is never kind.

Only in some 'Alice in the Wonderland' world/

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

tootle pip

Mike

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Hamilton Ramos | Forum Activity | Replied: Wed, Jan 13 2021 5:51 AM

Interesting article MJ.

Ages ago I read a book that talked about perceptual channels. Different persons process environment different.

Some are Aural oriented (lots of talking, interacting verbally, etc.)

Some are more Visual (do not remember how they manifested, maybe reading n writing, painting, etc.) demonstrating emotions.

And there are Kinesthetics persons. usually highly adept at physical sports, disciplines, etc.  Incredibly, this last group, communicates a lot non-verbally, ie with energy exchange. The book said that when you have 2 kinesthetic persons, they may be sitting together for long times without saying anything, but at the energetic level lots of interaction happen.

It seems that Scandinavians in general have a tendency towards the kinesthetic perceptual channel based on some statistical data:

The topic is interesting and worthy of study, because many relationship probs are supposedly due to mismatch in styles. 

A woman that is Aural, complains that her husband does not tell her enough that he loves her, and the husband is surprised, because being a kinesthetic, he is sending all his love energetically to his wife, that maybe is not the preferred channel the woman likes.

Forgot the name of the book (dead tree), trying to find resources on perceptual channels in L9 did not show results.

Not sure if the theory of preferred perceptual channel is important in ministry, maybe it is. 

As an example here in the forums, kinesthetics probably will have problems communicating if not good at writing, because, the accompanying good vibe cannot be transmitted (eg. maybe what is written is done with good intentions, that could be picked up if close, but the actual wording of the post is not reflecting that).

Some studies have found that supposedly over 70 % of communication is non- verbal, so maybe we are more energy transmit and receive dependent that what we actually know.

The Bible talks about possible cases where energy has protagonism: Jesus saying that virtue departed Him to heal a woman, Angels seemingly directing energy at ungodly persons in Sodom and blinding them, etc.

So energy may be related to communication, and to other human activities, it would be nice to investigate more.

https://www.logos.com/search?query=energy&sortBy=Relevance&limit=60&page=1&ownership=all&geographicAvailability=availableToMe

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Michael White | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 16 2021 7:40 AM

I have kept wordsearch and zipscript on my computer just for that reason, so I can continue to use zipscript. 

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 16 2021 7:53 AM

I keep WS just because some things are quicker to do in WS. Hopefully one day, this will go away and I will feel I can do things just as quick in Logos.

But I keep Zipscript... simply because there is nothing like it that will do all that it does. Quick, easy, simple. 

xn = Christan  man=man

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 16 2021 11:23 AM

xnman:
I keep WS just because some things are quicker to do in WS. Hopefully one day, this will go away and I will feel I can do things just as quick in Logos.

Please share what task(s) are quicker in WS.

Personally have Logos 9 (big purchased library with all features enabled) and Verbum 8 (small demonstration library with few features enabled) open at the same time. Right Click on a Bible word is quicker in Verbum 8 (less stuff for context menu population) than Logos 9. Still dreaming of context menu customization to show interesting subset (instead of current implementation to always search & show everything that takes longer). Information Tool has sections for showing everything, which can be collapsed/expanded as desired. Logos 9 Right Click irritant is clicking a line whose action is different since another item was enabled for Right Click display (shifting other lines down) before my click was processed so an unexpected action happened.

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SineNomine | Forum Activity | Replied: Sat, Jan 16 2021 1:22 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Still dreaming of context menu customization to show interesting subset (instead of current implementation to always search & show everything [...]).

I'm with you there.

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xnman | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 17 2021 1:04 PM

Sorry, I didn't fully explain....

I've used WS for many years.... the keystrokes, etc are embedded in my mind from constant use.... 

So along comes Logos.... I've had Logos for about 6 months or so.... In Logos.. it's still me trying to figure things out.... while in WS... click click zoom done. 

It's the comfy of the old coat syndrome... while having a new coat...  so to speak. That's the thing. I'm pushing myself in Logos....  but good things just take while longer... Geeked

Sorry about the confusion..

xn = Christan  man=man

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John W Gillis | Forum Activity | Replied: Sun, Jan 17 2021 3:49 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
Please share what task(s) are quicker in WS.

I'd say most tasks associated with comparing the way different versions translate a passage or verse are considerably quicker and easier in Wordsearch.

The WS Parallel Bible tool is I think a little easier on the eyes compared to the Text Comparison tool, but it is vastly easier to manage the selection of Bible versions to display. Changing a translation is as easy as clicking the name of the displayed translation and choosing a replacement from the list that pops up. Removing a column is as simple as clicking the X in the usual corner of the box. Adding a translation requires a dialog box, but it is easy to move versions back and forth within it from "available" and "include" columns, or to re-order the presentation.

I find trying to manage the Bible versions in the Text Comparison tool to be something of a nightmare in Logos, which I've been using fairly regularly for about twelve years.

The Text Comparison tool is much better for analytical comparisons against a base text, but I don't find the need for that nearly as often as just needing a clear and simple display of how several translations handle a particular passage.

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 12:20 AM

John W Gillis:
I find trying to manage the Bible versions in the Text Comparison tool to be something of a nightmare in Logos, which I've been using fairly regularly for about twelve years.

An alternative to Text Comparison is a Bible Search of All Open Bibles for Milestone: e.g. {Milestone <Pp4.4-9>}

In Grid, can click Bible Abbreviation to change from one Bible to another. Verses display can show Bible results for "comparison":

Bible search can find more than one Milestone: (using mix of comma's with OR allows verses in each Book to have the same color)

({Milestone <Mt3.17>},{Milestone <mt17:5>}) OR ({Milestone <Mk1:11>},{Milestone <mk9.7>}) OR ({Milestone <Luke 3:22>},{Milestone <lk9.35>}) OR {Milestone <2P1.17>}

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J Peter Wilson | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 2:10 AM

Hi

I am not an academic or a vicar/minister/pastor but I do give some Sunday talks to our church satellite group.

The way I compare Bible versions is by just listing the ones I use, in alphabetical order left to right, on the top bar. Currently, I have 28 staring with AMP and finishing with YLT. The main ones I use are B4E, CEV, HCSB, NIV2011 (UK), NKJV, MSG & TPT.

I used a similar method in WORDsearch and I now have worked out how to do the same thing in LOGOS. I also have my main commentaries similarly sorted.

To make life quicker I am just waiting for the TPT Ps/Pro/SofS to be "Logosised" and similarly with the NT & OT Open the Book Page by Page to save having to manually open the matching passage.

Blessings

Peter

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Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :) | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 8:26 AM

John W Gillis:
I find trying to manage the Bible versions in the Text Comparison tool to be something of a nightmare in Logos, which I've been using fairly regularly for about twelve years.

Thankful can save Text Comparisons in Favorites (drag tab into Favorites, which can be followed by right click rename) so can quickly reopen a set of Bibles later (plus have many Text Comparisons open):

My collection "Bible Compare Interlinear" is another name for MyTag:InterlinearTextComparison where Verses view shows my abbreviated Title modifications (so year prefix sorts chronological) while Interlinear view shows default Bible abbreviation from Faithlife servers.

John W Gillis:
The WS Parallel Bible tool is I think a little easier on the eyes compared to the Text Comparison tool, but it is vastly easier to manage the selection of Bible versions to display.

Curious about screen shot(s) showing WS Parallel Bible tool and selection management. Logos wiki has => Screenshot

When Faithlife revamped Text Comparison to be a scrolling list of verses, Thankful for selection process becoming easier so can arrange specific Bibles in desired order while a collection sorts alphabetically. FYI: Logos 4 Mac mouse clicking trying to select Bible(s) was challenging.

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John W Gillis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 3:00 PM

Keep Smiling 4 Jesus :):
can save Text Comparisons in Favorites

That's an interesting workaround. I can see where that could come in handy - thank you.

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Curious about screen shot(s) showing WS Parallel Bible tool and selection management.

#1: Column Mode, with 4 Bibles (this view becomes a multi-row grid of entries if the needed display width exceeds the pane width).

#2: Row Mode

#3: Selection Management Dialog Box (triggered by clicking "Add Translation" button)

#4: Changing translation from version short-name hyperlink within panel

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Andrew Batishko | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 3:54 PM

Here's the equivalent in Logos:

#1: Column Mode, with 4 Bibles (this view becomes a multi-row grid of entries if the needed display width exceeds the pane width).

#2: Row Mode (changed using the panel menu)

#3: Selection Management Dialog Box (triggered by clicking the list of resources)

#4: Changing translation by typing in the Find box, clicking the checkbox, then clear the filter and drag the item to the desired place in the list of checked resources.

Note also that configurations can be saved (with the Save button) so they can be easily recalled later. You can also add Collections of Bibles to your list, or Series, or filter with an arbitrary library query string and add all resources matching the filter.

Andrew Batishko | Faithlife software developer

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John W Gillis | Forum Activity | Replied: Mon, Jan 18 2021 6:15 PM

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
#4: Changing translation by typing in the Find box, clicking the checkbox, then clear the filter and drag the item to the desired place in the list of checked resources.

Thank you for the walk-through. It finally dawns on me why I become lost in this tool: clearing the filter never struck me as an obvious next step.When I got to this point, I had no idea how to make my selection "stick". I'd say: "OK, what do I do now?" I learned quickly that hitting Save did something different than I intended, there seemed to be nothing else to click in the drop-down dialog, and clicking outside the area seemed to produce inconsistent results: sometimes the new selection got added, sometimes it didn't, sometimes whatever I had clicked inside the dialog box replaced the original selection.

I'm sure I did something dumb half the time, but my point is that I never knew how to simply make this work, so I've been going back to Wordsearch for this kind of tool for years, because of its intuitiveness. I'd be curious to know how widespread this challenge has been, or if I've just been uniquely clueless.

Andrew Batishko (Faithlife):
#1: Column Mode, with 4 Bibles (this view becomes a multi-row grid of entries if the needed display width exceeds the pane width).

I'm not seeing this in Logos, BTW. No matter how many Bibles I add to the comparison list, they remain in columns, and the "extra" texts just run off the page to the right, so you have to scroll over to them. What I was referencing in Wordsearch is the kind of grid representation in the screenshot below. FWIW, I see minimal value in it, but it was nice occasionally for a birds-eye view of how a large number of versions treated a particular verse. Here's an easily-digestible view of how 16 English versions translate a verse:

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